Are there autistic people who are psychopath/serial killer?

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09 Dec 2012, 1:59 am

It wasn't a serial killer, it was a murder/suicide. I don't think he was a psychopath anyway, just disturbed and suicidal.

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09 Dec 2012, 2:14 am

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Who was a member here that became a serial killer?

Lol I can tell you as a mildly agressive person that anyone willing to kill wouldnt be able to tolerate this site.

Im sick of the characterization of aspies as a bunch of introverted mamas boys.

The fact is there are a good portion of us that aggressive, verbally abusive, and violent.

I think its a great disservice to those deal with that stuff to downplay it.

The fact is this disorder has a huge bias for those of us that are well off.

Just like other groups of peoples that have mental troubles, many of us are poor drug addicted and violent.

The fact is that like most populations of "mentally ill" people, autistic people are more likely to be targeted for violence than be perpetrators of it. While there are violent autistic people, aggressive autistic people, and verbally abusive autistic people, I do not recall seeing anything that would indicate that a "good portion" are these things.

I am not trying to whitewash anything, but I try to be aware of the statistics.

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09 Dec 2012, 2:20 am

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ust want to say one thing about Breivik; He was 'diagnosed' with AS by the country's 'leading psychiatrist' without the expert having ever met him face to face.

Also on Breivik; he actually fought against getting declared insane, so all the diagnostic labels people so far have said he got were a result of the prosecutor's desperation/manipulation of the system to shoot him down. Tbh if I were a top level psychiatrist I wouldn't give the psycho what he wanted either. Breivik wanted the world to know that the decision to do what he did was one that was clear, smart and conscious. Pleading insane would have destroyed the message behind the shooting.

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09 Dec 2012, 2:28 am

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Who was a member here that became a serial killer?

I'm a cereal killer. Does that count?

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09 Dec 2012, 2:29 am

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Who was a member here that became a serial killer?

I'm a cereal killer. Does that count?

I've been a cereal killer my entire life.

I hunted Count Chocula to extinction, much to my later regret.

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09 Dec 2012, 2:34 am

I eat cereal and that is killing it. I am a cereal killer.

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09 Dec 2012, 2:38 am

Verdandi wrote:

Rascal77s wrote:

redrobin62 wrote:

Who was a member here that became a serial killer?

I'm a cereal killer. Does that count?

I've been a cereal killer my entire life.

I hunted Count Chocula to extinction, much to my later regret.

OMG I love count chocula! But frankenberry is my favorite. Only downside is it turns your poop purple. Come to think of it, purple poops is a pretty catchy name for a cereal.

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09 Dec 2012, 2:45 am

Rascal77s wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

Rascal77s wrote:

redrobin62 wrote:

Who was a member here that became a serial killer?

I'm a cereal killer. Does that count?

I've been a cereal killer my entire life.

I hunted Count Chocula to extinction, much to my later regret.

OMG I love count chocula! But frankenberry is my favorite. Only downside is it turns your poop purple. Come to think of it, purple poops is a pretty catchy name for a cereal.

Yeah, I love that one too, and Boo-Berry. But Count Chocula will always be my favorite. I'm glad they started reissuing them for Halloween every year.

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09 Dec 2012, 3:04 am

If you are sociopathic, nothing to do with autism, everybody's gotta kill sometime.

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09 Dec 2012, 3:33 am

Geez. Where is this rubbish coming from? Does logic elude? Autism/AS does not, at all, equate to the psychopathology of serial killers. In fact, the contrary. To clarify, lack of empathy (btw, which is poorly termed - blaming Simon Baron-Cohen for this blooper) means to not intuit the emotive states of another. In fact, on the spectrum individuals are known to be, by nature, kind and compassionate (albeit we can be distanced). This 'mindblindness' (aka lack of empathy) can be misconstrued by laypersons because the terms are not defined. That is, there is a naivete amongst spectrum individuals that can be an almost childlike trust. Conversely, on the opposite end, are serial killers who truly do not give a god damn. In so far as Brevik, in my opinion, he's nuts. I almost do not care, at all, what his 'official' Dx is because he's so screwed-up that it is really a moot point. Geez :roll: Now fixing myself a bowl of cereal......sigh.

re: below. Ditto. I kill cereal most mornings. Coocoo for cocoa puffs - the Lab Pet is on a rampage.

Verdandi wrote:

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Rascal77s wrote:

redrobin62 wrote:

Who was a member here that became a serial killer?

I'm a cereal killer. Does that count?

I've been a cereal killer my entire life.

I hunted Count Chocula to extinction, much to my later regret.

OMG I love count chocula! But frankenberry is my favorite. Only downside is it turns your poop purple. Come to think of it, purple poops is a pretty catchy name for a cereal.

Yeah, I love that one too, and Boo-Berry. But Count Chocula will always be my favorite. I'm glad they started reissuing them for Halloween every year.

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09 Dec 2012, 3:37 am

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http://kildall.apana.org.au/autism/articles/bryant.html

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Dr Sale, in his report of the 6 August 1996, indicates that in his opinion Mr Bryant manifested severe developmental problems during childhood and that he could be regarded as having shown a mixture of conduct disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity and a rare condition known as Asperger's Syndrome. I am in agreement with Dr Sale that the records indicate that Mr Bryant was grossly disturbed from early childhood. He can certainly be fitted within the criteria for conduct disorder, but all this amounts to in the diagnostic manual is a list of a range of aggressive destructive and deceitful behaviors during childhood and as such does not advance understanding to any degree. Asperger's Syndrome is a condition which could explain some of the abnormalities in Mr Bryant and in noting this possibility Dr Sale raises a potentially important question. The section from the text on Forensic Psychiatry convering Asperger's Syndrome appended to his report by Dr Sale though providing a good account of the forensic implications does not adequately describe the critical clinical features (as one of the authors of the chapter I can perhaps be allowed this criticism). Mr Bryant craves the attention of others. He desires relationships but fails to effectively communicate with others unlike the patients with Asperger's who are blandly indifferent to others. Mr Bryant also lacks, in my opinion, the central features of this condition which are repetitive activities, unusual skills with all absorbing obsessive interests and problems with motor coordination. He also showed marked delay in the acquisition of language skills and required remedial therapy for this language deficit which is contrary to the picture found in those with Asperger's Syndrome.

Yep, that's the incorrect refutation. Note that his reasons are actually wrong, and his pointing out of other things actually points to an ASD (I can go into detail, but it's seriously in your face).

It wasn't deemed as being correct too.

He's in a psychiatric hostel (the criminal one), being "treated" for AS (as per his mother). That, and the Crown's diagnosis, are fairly irrefutable.

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09 Dec 2012, 3:43 am

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The funny thing is though, it's actually worst for "him" in that if you're insane, it's generally not your fault that you do the things that you do (you're still punished all the same, but it's your chemical imbalance that makes you see that everyone is an alien reptilian or something). With him, you can say he made a conscious decision to do what he did with all available evidence presented to him.

It points to him being even more of a narcissistic scumbag this way, rather than someone who lost touch with reality (which is sad for everyone involved).

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09 Dec 2012, 4:09 am

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I guess that Anders Breivik was the only one diagnosed with it? I think it might be possible, but to me Breivik doesn't really seem like autistic.

He was first diagnosed as being Paranoid Schizophrenic, then as Narcissistic, not Autistic, the press is just stupid.

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09 Dec 2012, 4:24 am

Didn't a professor testify at the trial that he (Anders) had Asperger's though (including a PD and possible psychoses)? That's something you can't ignore (even if it's not a "formal" diagnosis in a clinic).

Yep, one Ulrik Fredrik Malt.

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09 Dec 2012, 4:42 am

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agressive person that anyone willing to kill wouldnt be able to tolerate this site.

I wouldn't count on that, sadly.

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09 Dec 2012, 5:28 am

Dillogic wrote:

I find the "Crown's diagnosis" hard to refute because I can't find it referenced anywhere. The only statement I can find is the above, which was written by Paul Mullen - and I do not see how these reasons are "wrong" despite the statement that they're "seriously in your face." I do agree that the statement about "bland indifference" is obviously incorrect, but the stateements about conduct disorder and ADHD are not. The two are somewhat frequent comorbids to each other, and the combination is one of the most reliable predictors of adult psychopathy.

There are references to Bryant's mother saying Bryant was being treated for AS, but I don't really see anything to contradict the report I posted.

I really can't agree with your assertion.

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