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11 Dec 2012, 8:41 am

There is still absolutely no reason why vaccines would cause autism.


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11 Dec 2012, 8:48 am

There is one more thing - in recent years there has been a modern trend (at least in my country, but I suppose it can be observed worldwide as well) to bash vaccines as something "evil".

The supporters of these theories often claim that vaccines cause not only autism, but also diabetes, cancer and other severe illnesses. No evidence whatsoever has been given to support these claims, therefore I usually dismiss them.



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11 Dec 2012, 9:56 am

Vaccines are a good thing - my mother remembers life before the polio vaccine. Not pretty.

Are vaccines risk free - no. Nothing ever is. But there are a whole bunch more people alive today and in good health because of vaccines. Childhood death due to contagious illness is very rare today in first world countries because of vaccines.

Do vaccines cause autism - this has been studied quite a bit and no link has been found. I don't believe that vaccines cause autism.

I do have a problem with people that believe in a whole lot of "pseudo" science and throw good science and medicine out the window. I'd much rather put the effort in at making the good science and medicine even better.


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11 Dec 2012, 10:25 am

It's all just a bunch of anti-science nonsense. People who refuse to vaccinate their children put them and other children at risk.



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11 Dec 2012, 11:34 am

Autism causes hysteria over vaccines.

Anyone want to put a study together to prove it? Shouldn't be hard.


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11 Dec 2012, 12:16 pm

lady_katie wrote:
Thanks everyone, I feel like I've come to understand this whole debate a lot better. I thought that some people believed that vaccines were the only cause of autism. I now see that they believe that there are other causes as well.


Remember there is an industry which expect its paid members
to parrot certain political hot potatoes
and protect their financial interests

certain types of children have quite different detoxification pathways
and suffer what most *normal* kids do not
these different types [like us aspies] are not correctly accounted for
by society

so we must account for ourselves, or suffer their stupid errors of judgement

I mean, think about it.
From my limited experience of NT's [and science], few seem able to grasp facts and reason as well as my aspieself, hence I dismiss much of their false logic and conditioned group speak

My new GP is much younger than me, quite NT, and significantly less intelligent



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12 Dec 2012, 12:50 am

Surfman wrote:
lady_katie wrote:
Thanks everyone, I feel like I've come to understand this whole debate a lot better. I thought that some people believed that vaccines were the only cause of autism. I now see that they believe that there are other causes as well.


Remember there is an industry which expect its paid members
to parrot certain political hot potatoes
and protect their financial interests

certain types of children have quite different detoxification pathways
and suffer what most *normal* kids do not
these different types [like us aspies] are not correctly accounted for
by society

so we must account for ourselves, or suffer their stupid errors of judgement

I mean, think about it.
From my limited experience of NT's [and science], few seem able to grasp facts and reason as well as my aspieself, hence I dismiss much of their false logic and conditioned group speak

My new GP is much younger than me, quite NT, and significantly less intelligent


Vaccines don't make money for the industry. Alt. cures are what makes money. Ergo, the people who have money has a motivational factor are the people saying vaccines are bad and are pushing alternative medicine.


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12 Dec 2012, 1:04 am

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Not this again...


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12 Dec 2012, 2:35 am

Ganondox wrote:

Vaccines don't make money for the industry. Alt. cures are what makes money. Ergo, the people who have money has a motivational factor are the people saying vaccines are bad and are pushing alternative medicine.


Nothing is made if it doesn't make somebody money.

You're right though the world is full of snake oil salesmen offering their homeopathic BS cures for autism and other conditions. There's a guy who produces videos on youtube, Larrycook333, who is a shining example of what you are talking about. This guy is a true pieces of s**t selling false hope to desperate people. I'll quote one of his comments on one of his videos.



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PLEASE READ: If you'd like more info on how you can do what Holly did to treat the root causes of her child's Autism, read through the video description for resources. Additionally, I find that there are Autistic people wanting to post on this video their negative comments, and it is unfortunate that they were never educated in how to treat the root causes of their Autism. But, the bottom line is this: everyone can improve, wherever they are on the spectrum, and Holly has proven that.


Btw don't bother leaving this c**t a comment because he only approves the ones that read like an infomercial endorsement.

And congrats on your recent move from Brazil to Indonesia.



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12 Dec 2012, 12:59 pm

When I had my MMR vaccine when I was about 1, I changed all of a sudden, on the same day. I was quite a happy baby until then, and straight after I had the vaccine, I cried a lot, every day, for about 9 months to a year after that. My mum had recorded it in her diary. It's as though the vaccine had some sort of affect on the way I behaved in general. I'm not saying crying babies mean Autistic babies at all, I'm just saying it's funny how I changed on the very day I had the vaccine. But it may of just been coincidence, because my development did not change (decrease).


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12 Dec 2012, 1:08 pm

lady_katie wrote:
This might be a stupid question about the vaccine debate, but....I've heard that there are people from every culture who have autism. If that is the case, and not all cultures vaccinate children, then how can anyone claim that vaccines "cause" autism?


All cultures vaccinate children, or at least allow WHO and other international health organizations to vaccinate their children.



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12 Dec 2012, 6:26 pm

Surfman wrote:
From my limited experience of NT's [and science], few seem able to grasp facts and reason as well as my aspieself,

Dunning-Kruger.



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13 Dec 2012, 1:01 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Surfman wrote:
From my limited experience of NT's [and science], few seem able to grasp facts and reason as well as my aspieself,

Dunning-Kruger.


profiteering corporations placing money before people, and the people who believe authority figures who lie
certain babies will always react negatively
you dont mind that?
wait till you have children....



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13 Dec 2012, 1:50 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Surfman wrote:
From my limited experience of NT's [and science], few seem able to grasp facts and reason as well as my aspieself,

Dunning-Kruger.


*Ahem!* The_Walrus, that's a very thinly disguised insult, and completely unnecessary.

Not to mention it is pretty ironic to see a seventeen year old calling a 49 year old ignorant. :scratch:


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13 Dec 2012, 2:54 pm

Aren't ASD's something you're BORN with? As in, it was already there in your genes when your life began? I know the experts don't know everything about it, but I was under the impression that it was largely genetic. If so, how could a vaccine cause it? Unless it did something to your father's sperm production when HE received the vaccine, how could it be a contributing factor? I suppose, maybe, something in the vaccine could cause an activation in certain genes in some people, but that seems unlikely. Dr. Wakefield was discredited largely because this has been studied over and over and no one else was able to repeat his results. There's a lot of info about this in the PBS Frontline episode called "The Vaccine War". Not only have they not proven vaccines as a cause, there isn't even a correlation. There are NO higher rates of autism among vaccinated children than unvaccinated. I think we need to stop looking at this as a potential cause because other than Wakefield's fraudulent research, there's been no evidence to support this theory whatsoever. It's time to drop this nonsense and talk about other things.


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