"Will the DSM-5 Reduce Rates of Autism?", by Allen

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09 Jan 2013, 11:06 am

http://autisminnb.blogspot.com/2011/01/ ... utism.html

It seems that there'll be 3 different levels, the 3rd needing most support and the first needing least support.
They have a chart at the link.
It does not show the diagnostic criteria though.
I keep waiting for more of the DSM-V to slip out on the web. It's actually comes out in May so it may be awhile.
My mom is a psychologist and i hounded her about it

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09 Jan 2013, 11:47 am

lets do this kindergarten style... You need 2 apple and 2 oranges to get on the ASD ride in Aspyland. Now lets say tomorrow the rules change and you need 2 apples and 3 oranges to get on the ride. Well if nobody has given you an extra orange you ain't gettin on the ride. If the criteria change but the symptoms don't how can they tell us the DX rate won't change? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Change without change when the symptoms are directly related to the DX?

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09 Jan 2013, 12:29 pm

Perhaps they thought they were wrong with the old set (you don't need enough to meet it)?

Some researchers have been saying that for some time now (usually proponents of Gillberg's Criteria for AS).

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09 Jan 2013, 1:48 pm

Rascal77s wrote:

But if you are going to force that analogy, that's not what was done.

It was much more like "You used to need 2 apples and 2 oranges, and now you need 2 apples and 3 citrus fruits"

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09 Jan 2013, 2:04 pm

Tuttle wrote:

Rascal77s wrote:

But if you are going to force that analogy, that's not what was done.

It was much more like "You used to need 2 apples and 2 oranges, and now you need 2 apples and 3 citrus fruits"

Sorry I'm too poor to afford and citrus fruit other than oranges so I have to limit my analogies to apples and oranges. In the end you still have 2 citrus fruits.

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09 Jan 2013, 2:26 pm

Tuttle wrote:

Rascal77s wrote:

But if you are going to force that analogy, that's not what was done.

It was much more like "You used to need 2 apples and 2 oranges, and now you need 2 apples and 3 citrus fruits"

and you only have to have or have had these 2 apples and 3 citrus fruits at some point in your past (as a child), whereas before you had to have had the 2 apples and 2 oranges as a child and still have them now.

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09 Jan 2013, 2:48 pm

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Sorry I'm too poor to afford and citrus fruit other than oranges so I have to limit my analogies to apples and oranges. In the end you still have 2 citrus fruits.

My point is that while they are requiring a larger number of criteria, they are making those criteria more general as well. Making it more general is also important.

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09 Jan 2013, 3:11 pm

Tuttle wrote:

Rascal77s wrote:

Sorry I'm too poor to afford and citrus fruit other than oranges so I have to limit my analogies to apples and oranges. In the end you still have 2 citrus fruits.

My point is that while they are requiring a larger number of criteria, they are making those criteria more general as well. Making it more general is also important.

Yes, and more traits can meet those criteria than the previous criteria. Just counting up necessary symptoms doesn't present an accurate picture, what those symptoms are compared to previous criteria needs to be acknowledged (just elaborating on Tuttle's point here, not disagreeing with her).

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09 Jan 2013, 5:09 pm

I think it just tells you how clueless they are - they symptom is not the condition and its hardly helpful to define people by them.

roll on brain scan diagnosis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5#Criticism

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09 Jan 2013, 8:15 pm

answeraspergers wrote:

I think it just tells you how clueless they are - they symptom is not the condition and its hardly helpful to define people by them.

roll on brain scan diagnosis.

No one said the symptom is the condition. But the symptoms can help identify the condition.

Brain scans are not quite there, and are also rather expensive.

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09 Jan 2013, 8:35 pm

If it reduces the number of people getting diagnosed who are not actually impaired, then I'm all for it.

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09 Jan 2013, 8:40 pm

They cant agree what the symptoms are, so it does not help clarify AS for up to forty percent of people.

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