Autism, mercury and the Cutler protocol...

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13 Jan 2013, 4:40 am

Okay, confused definition there, my mistake but it isn't solely based on my opinion. Many people are benefiting with the same experiences and the Cutler protocol is a safer version of the hospital chelation protocol based in medical science. It is proven to chelate heavy metals from the system in cases such as work exposure, so why not from fillings and vaccines? They are known and accepted for having mercury in them and the effects of mercury poisoning are not dissimilar to autism. If autism itself isn't caused in some cases by mercury from the womb or after then there must be a lot of misdiagnosis' of autism.

Besides as far as I can see much of the precious articles completely disproving mercury poisoning from vaccines are gov cited and funded. In what interest is it to them to acknowledge it? I'm also curious where the laws of physics comes into play when mercury poisoning is already an accepted illness in other forms. It's happened through centuries in various ways, so why not now? We don't live in a utopia, people can be and are still selfish. At the end of the day where the hell is science heading when our knowledge and facts are drip-fed to us instead of curiosity making you question things. If anything isn't that blind faith? I know papers can't deny my benefits. See, I didn't come to this forum to spark an age old debate but to talk to people about my improvements so they could judge for themselves. If I am unaware of a truth then please inform me, I am still learning. Cynicism based on govt supplied facts isn't progressing to any answers, more likely its gunning down others without proper trial and investigation. If I had known superiority and ego was of so much importance in this discussion then I wouldn't have initiated it.



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13 Jan 2013, 5:48 am

What purpose would the government have in presenting false data about autism? I think that information would need to be supplied. Just saying "It's the government" is not sufficient evidence to counter the rather extensive evidence available from government agencies like the CDC. It works for those with a conspiratorial mindset, but it is not particularly effective as far as rebuttals go.

The other thing you really haven't addressed is the fact that autism does not resemble mercury poisoning at all, that the amount of mercury from medical sources is lower than the amount of mercury you might get from a can of tuna, and that thimerosal is no longer used in the majority of vaccines. Also, thimerosal is not mercury, but a compound that includes mercury. That a compound contains a particular element does not mean that compound behaves like that element. Water does not behave like oxygen or hydrogen and table salt does not behave like sodium or chlorine.

I think you might be mistaking questioning your data for "never questioning things." The problem is that what you have provided here has not been supported by existing research. So, provide data that supports your claims. Contentious claims require evidence, and one should not not expect people to simply accept such claims without that evidence.



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13 Jan 2013, 7:07 am

Until every avenue is explored in a non-biased way without ulterior motives (which the government are renowned for) I'm not convinced what I'm feeling and many more isn't what it is. I am not a scientist but I am also not a fool and understand the difference between what I am feeling and a placebo. There must be a reason why I'm affected so much by chelation, there certainly isn't anything I'm taking that could have that profound an effect nor have I ever been improved in any way by the NHS. Why so bent to demean someone who is trying something different to what you think? I didn't know I was in a court hearing...

I am not certain of the complete workings of autism or if mercury causes it. All I know is I was diagnosed Aspergers on the NHS -like many- and I have seen benefits through chelation. Could this be misdiagnosis? Then couldn't that possibly apply to more people? It's pretty bold to react with such hostility and condescension and to call out my improvements as false without having experienced it first hand, disproved it outright or even knowing my level of character/intelligence. It's an opinion that may invite people to look for controversy but it's the truth and I'm not diving into producing streams of information to bridge the divide or continue a debate, that's not my responsibility. I don't expect anyone to accept it as fact, we all see it differently but if you expect me to drop my insight/back it up 100% that's pretty intolerant and unreasonable, no hypothesis begins that way. It's a learning curve and I may discover more down the line. As far as I know, no papers have explored the improvements chelation provides and the improvements themselves are more than enough proof to me personally. If providing an alternate viewpoint that could potentially help someone in my position is contentious then people overlook the right to ignore what I'm saying, agree to disagree and move on.



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13 Jan 2013, 7:17 am

Chelation can kill autistic children.

I've never had fillings. I had once vaccine when I was five. I showed autistic symptoms around 2 years old.

Maybe mercury poisoning is true for you but is not for me. There is a strong genetic component in it for me. My dad was clearly autistic and even some of my siblings have mild forms of AS. My mum is ADHD and my brother shows signs, though I'm the only one with both autism and ADHD.

I think that autism or autistic-like symptoms can be acquired but when it's genetic it is a lot more difficult, if not impossible, to recover from. A lot of us here don't even want to. I've got a nice medication that makes me more social and empathic, even reduces my sensory issues. And it even strengthens my 'gifts.'

As for unchangeable...people with autism can develop new skills. Now you probably did have mercury poisoning and it's great you are recovering, but I don't think it's true for a majority of cases. It can also be dangerous. I was not lying about how autistic children can die from chelation.

Many of us see autism/AS as who we are and we don't want it cured, even if it can be frustrating. Who wants to be like everyone else anyway? You actually enjoy talking about mundane topics with people now? You want to be more like everyone else and less an individual? No thank you. Or can you still carry on being the person you always have been? Or do you even care about being that same person? My interests are my life and I'd rather be alone if it meant staying with who I am. I don't want to change for people and they can respect that.

So, even if this was some diet that minimised autistic symptoms and you didn't get so critical on the government for covering up something or whatever, people will still be behaving this way.


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13 Jan 2013, 7:33 am

That's all I needed to hear and that's fair enough! I totally understand what you mean by being who you truly are, good for you! I guess in my case it is mercury poisoning and now what I'm doing is helping. I appreciate that you weren't too critical as it is a very broad range of problems and it probably has a broad range of causes. I just meant if I was misdiagnosed Aspergers and it is Mercury in my case, don't rule it out for others like me who may have been misdiagnosed too. I know in my mind I always felt hindered and this has been what I needed to feel my true self. I criticised the government because I can't see any other way I would have been exposed and I don't agree with their agenda judging from the human races past with power and manipulation. Again, that's what I believe and no matter if it's genetic, toxins, or simply the way we are, I don't like it when the Government attempts to remove choice/act with avoidance. I know I face multiple prejudices based on my diagnosis and then ironically told to accept myself without any support so I looked myself and this turned out to be more than the NHS ever offered to me. I felt people should know that and make their own informed choices with as many avenues in mind.



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13 Jan 2013, 7:36 am

Paulomat wrote:
Until every avenue is explored in a non-biased way without ulterior motives (which the government are renowned for)


I prefer not to entertain notions of fear, uncertainty, and doubt mixed into science. If you have specific counters to the outcomes as determined by research funded through the CDC or other government organization, I am more than willing to look. However, if all you're saying is "the government is bad because it's the government" there is no conversation to be had.

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I'm not convinced what I'm feeling and many more isn't what it is. I am not a scientist but I am also not a fool and understand the difference between what I am feeling and a placebo. There must be a reason why I'm affected so much by chelation, there certainly isn't anything I'm taking that could have that profound an effect nor have I ever been improved in any way by the NHS. Why so bent to demean someone who is trying something different to what you think? I didn't know I was in a court hearing...


I recall a man who underwent trepanation. He spent several days journaling what am amazing experience it was and how it opened him up to new vistas and experiences.

And then he said it was a placebo. Don't underestimate how far a placebo effect can take you. For a lot of people, learning they are autistic can result in developing more obvious, and more intense autistic behaviors and tendencies, at least for a time. That certainly feels real to them as well, but it eventually (for most) subsides.

I think it is a bit specious to compare what I posted to being in a court hearing. Nor did anything I wrote demean you. I am extremely skeptical of your claims and I don't think you have a particularly firm argument so far as to why government funded research (which tends to be viewed as less biased than privately funded research because commercial interests are not always involved) is likely to be biased and wrong when it doesn't support your favored theory.

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I am not certain of the complete workings of autism or if mercury causes it. All I know is I was diagnosed Aspergers on the NHS -like many- and I have seen benefits through chelation. Could this be misdiagnosis? Then couldn't that possibly apply to more people? It's pretty bold to react with such hostility and condescension and to call out my improvements as false without having experienced it first hand, disproved it outright or even knowing my level of character/intelligence. It's an opinion that may invite people to look for controversy but it's the truth and I'm not diving into producing streams of information to bridge the divide or continue a debate, that's not my responsibility. I don't expect anyone to accept it as fact, we all see it differently but if you expect me to drop my insight/back it up 100% that's pretty intolerant and unreasonable, no hypothesis begins that way. It's a learning curve and I may discover more down the line. As far as I know, no papers have explored the improvements chelation provides and the improvements themselves are more than enough proof to me personally. If providing an alternate viewpoint that could potentially help someone in my position is contentious then people overlook the right to ignore what I'm saying, agree to disagree and move on.


I do not know if anyone else is being hostile, but I am not. I am also not trying to be condescending. It is a bit disconcerting to have my post turned into a series of emotions rather than a direct response to the content of my statements.

What is contentious is claiming that autism is due to mercury poisoning when the vast majority of existing research does not support such a claim. Contentious in this context simply means that it disagrees with the widely held scientific understanding of how things work. It is not expression of hostility or argumentation, but a term that has a specific meaning when used in relation to research. I also do not know anything about your character and I wouldn't hazard a guess as to your intelligence as I do not tend to make observations or comments about others' intellect.

You can't expect people to decide to undertake possibly dangerous chelation therapies on the say so of one person who claims his subjective experience of improvement should be taken as fact.

If you want people to accept that mercury chelation can cure autism, then it is your responsible to provide empirical data. If you wish to simply relate your experiences and expect others to believe them and not argue and disagree, then you are bound for disappointment.



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13 Jan 2013, 7:56 am

Fair enough, it was just when I was being called out for evidence it felt a bit third degree, I'm not here to tell people how to live their lives (if it came across that way, it was a misunderstanding) and I don't want pressure to prove myself either. I was also more annoyed at people patronising me and the benefits I've gained, I'm no less informed or deluded than anyone else who has talked here. I don't want to say that it causes all autism, as I said above there are most likely a broad range of causes. I just didn't want people to rule out the possibility of misdiagnosis like potentially in my case. Autism is still not very understood and other problems (like mercury) can probably manifest similar enough to be misdiagnosed as it, after all Doctor's are human. I don't want to encourage people to follow chelation, I just want to show how it affected me. If people find that helpful they can make their own informed decisions and research the way I had to for whatever they want to do (if anything). I definitely wouldn't expect or want anyone to blindly listen to me or anyone, just to take it on board as another view on a matter. I'm no preacher, just a guy who doesn't want to see it as black and white as the world has been convinced.



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13 Jan 2013, 8:05 am

That makes sense.

I hope this treatment continues to be beneficial for you.



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13 Jan 2013, 9:32 am

i would not call it misdiagnosis but a lot of interventions can make a difference.

You still retain sensitivities and also there are plenty of people like me with no fillings.