Depression and the Limits of Psychiatry

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07 Feb 2013, 10:29 am

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Why does there have to be a focus on what is "normal" vs. what is considered "deviant" and thus in need of "fixing". As someone living with fairly chronic depression most of my life I could really give two s**ts about ever being "normal" or mentally "fixed". I don't want to "function" in life, I would prefer to simply be a little bit happier and have a tolerable life. If any medication can possibly help with that then so be it. I will try anything if the alternative is being absolutely miserable or even suicide. I'm not exactly in love with the "science" of psychiatry or the pharmaceutical industry as I've had very mixed results, some quite negative. There is no panacea. But it's offensive to me when clueless people who don't suffer from severe depression rant on and on about the evils of "happy pills". I don't have the luxury to just "suck it up". Must be nice.

Personally, I consider myself both normal and deviant and sometimes even perverted :lol: . Usually when someone tries to "fix" me they encounter an unscalable wall with a single door that they have to show reason in order to gain the ability to see it. Still, reason is driven by passion, so I have to see through them and consider all personal motives as well and then I might choose to grant them a passage through that door.
I don't think "happy pills" are evil. They're simply tools with which to regulate your behaviour and consciousness (no tool is "evil", it's the user or creator of it that might be though). And "sucking it up" is not a luxury. It's an oil tanker load of hard mental work, where all aspects of the current condition must be measured and compared with each other. And it's not nice. it's a painful process that destroys from within, so that one might rise anew from the ashes. What I'm describing is simply developing a mental discipline in order to have that little bit happier and tolerable life. Obviously it's not going to work for everyone. But I'd rather do that than become dependant on pharmaceuticals or some "non prescription" drugs. If everything in life was easy, what would be the point of living indeed.



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07 Feb 2013, 10:02 pm

GnothiSeauton wrote:
marshall wrote:
Why does there have to be a focus on what is "normal" vs. what is considered "deviant" and thus in need of "fixing". As someone living with fairly chronic depression most of my life I could really give two s**ts about ever being "normal" or mentally "fixed". I don't want to "function" in life, I would prefer to simply be a little bit happier and have a tolerable life. If any medication can possibly help with that then so be it. I will try anything if the alternative is being absolutely miserable or even suicide. I'm not exactly in love with the "science" of psychiatry or the pharmaceutical industry as I've had very mixed results, some quite negative. There is no panacea. But it's offensive to me when clueless people who don't suffer from severe depression rant on and on about the evils of "happy pills". I don't have the luxury to just "suck it up". Must be nice.

Personally, I consider myself both normal and deviant and sometimes even perverted :lol: . Usually when someone tries to "fix" me they encounter an unscalable wall with a single door that they have to show reason in order to gain the ability to see it. Still, reason is driven by passion, so I have to see through them and consider all personal motives as well and then I might choose to grant them a passage through that door.
I don't think "happy pills" are evil. They're simply tools with which to regulate your behaviour and consciousness (no tool is "evil", it's the user or creator of it that might be though). And "sucking it up" is not a luxury. It's an oil tanker load of hard mental work, where all aspects of the current condition must be measured and compared with each other. And it's not nice. it's a painful process that destroys from within, so that one might rise anew from the ashes. What I'm describing is simply developing a mental discipline in order to have that little bit happier and tolerable life. Obviously it's not going to work for everyone. But I'd rather do that than become dependant on pharmaceuticals or some "non prescription" drugs. If everything in life was easy, what would be the point of living indeed.


It's more like what would be the point in living depressed my whole life. It's not like there's something I have to prove to you or anyone else. I don't see life as some kind of test or trial imposed on me. That's just absurd. The point is you want to see depression or the need to have treatment as some kind of character weakness / vice rather than a condition with biological causes. All that does is stigmatic and demean further those who already suffer. If that is your view then you are part of the problem, not the solution. If it ever comes to the point where I see no redeeming value in living I will simply choose to live no more. If it came to that nobody has any right to judge me, if so then all I can say is f**k you, go to hell. Thankfully I'm not at that point right now so I'll try to make the best of it.



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07 Feb 2013, 10:56 pm

Sorry, if I came across as too harsh on the specific point of view. Just speaking out of personal experience. I've been treated as s%$t and treated some people as s%$t. I understand the need to find an outlet, even if "medication" wise (smoked a plane load of weed and drank a tanker of booze myself). I'm just trying to point out that life is not some kind of a trial/game. It's life and we have to make the best out of it. Being depressed is not a weakness, it's just a state of the mind that we have to deal with and thus can become stronger through it (every freaking time I get depressed I have a prepared set of ways to kill myself, but then the conditioning I developed helps me overcome the disturbance). I had the luck/pleasure of meeting and experiencing some beautiful people and just the same had to endure a bunch of nasties in my time. I loved the same woman for 10 years and had trouble expressing it. When I finally gathered enough courage to show my love, I got rejected in a very extreme way. But I didn't suffer for too long about it, because I prepared myself for that eventuality. Just saying we have to develop ways of coping with life without the help of a quick fix. Our kind has been doing so for millennia without all the modern "magic" and so will we. Cheers.