anyone else not interested in science or math?

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You'll have to count me out on this one, because I am majoring in geology.

Tim

My strong subjects were English (I got a Master's in 1991), history, psychology, and writing. Words are my strength. I do like biology, because it involves reading, research and fact-gathering, things I do well. I am only average in math, although I was good at it when I was a child. I got bored because of the dumb, programmed teaching methods they used in elementary school. Had I learned math the regular way, I probably still would have been interested. I am not good with the technical aspects of computers, but I do well with writing and the Internet.

Chemistry was exceeding difficult, but I still managed to get a C.

I did well in my Legal Office Systems classes because they involved reading, research and memorization of facts.

I don't really like it. I perfer comics, video games and art.

What's wrong with programmed teaching? I am talking about what was known as programmed teaching even before computers took off. You basically studied material, worked out problems, and pulled down a slide to determine if you were correct or not. NO computers used, etc. Seems like a GREAT way to learn, and *I* like it.

Steve

For a lot of people, NTs and Aspies alike, programmed teaching is mindnumbingly robotic. It strips out any aspect of personalized learning and just pumps information in that many will not ever need in life. Also, many question if learning just what is "correct" is the right way to learn anything. Most of the world's greatest ideas and discoveries were considered "incorrect" at the time of their discovery.

In TV and film production, there's a saying that I was taught very early on:

"If you don't make mistakes, you'll never learn a damned thing"

It is absolutely true. And this can apply to any field of study from math to science. Just because someone is telling you that something is wrong, it does not mean that you are GETTING why it's wrong, you just know it's wrong.

Unfortunately, programmed teaching does not allow for a working out process, and while some students learned well with this program, many did not and it was problematic to force them into a program that did not suit their learning needs. I'm glad you took something from it, but many didn't.

Actually, with government, history, and math, there often IS only one right answer, and you won't learn innovation from school.

MICROWAVE(ACCIDENT)
MPU(LAZINESS and NEW application of old ideas)
VULCANIZED RUBBER(ACCIDENT)
VACCINE(LUCKY OBSERVATION)
PENNICILIN(ACCIDENT)
SACCARIN(ACCIDENT)
LIGHTBULB(Applied use of old ideas to an observation)
TV(Applied use of old ideas to an observation)

So very little happens directly because of what one is taught in school. Frankly, I often DON'T use the term teacher. I use the term "teacher", because so little is really taught, especially just by the teacher.

Frankly, I would rather learn at my OWN pace! The school system slows down those that excel, and gives little to help those that need help. OFTEN, a person can be in BOTH groups! Wouldn't it be nice if a person good with english and poor in math could use extra time for math that wasn't needed in English?

Steve

I'm both a biology person and an art person. Both are connected with my visual perception of things and to my need to stay in touch with the tangible world around me, only in very different ways.

This not to say I'm not interested in other things. I am. I love reading and analysing literature, though I've come to understand that I wouldn't like this to become my profession, and I write myself. I don't enjoy books on philosophy as much as I did as a teen, when I was thinking over what I believed in a lot - more often than not it appears too vague, redundant and difficult to make sense of, - but I may still like it once in a while. But all these things seem to eventually come back, in one way or another, to my visual, more fact-based view of things.

It's like my attitude to spirituality - I don't think I could imagine living without a belief in God, but I can't think of God as abstract, only as the One Who has created such a brilliant world.

"Actually, with government, history, and math, there often IS only one right answer, and you won't learn innovation from school. "


If you're talking about names and dates, sure, but if you're talking about theories, then I don't see how anyone can claim to have the right answer at all. ESPECIALLY with history and government, math not so much, but history is seen from many different angles and if you asked ten people who were there what happened, you'll get eleven different answers. The only people who know EXACTLY what happened are the people who were there. (Our history books tell us the story from the top, IE, we hear about the rich and wealthy and how they influenced history - the aristocrats and whatnot, but there's several different schools of historical learning now, including learning from the bottom up, IE, stories of the peasantry, working class, the poor and how they helped progress society to where it is now. Er, don't get me started on this stuff!! !)

In government, there's no absolutes. All theory about government and how society should be "run" is just that - theory. Some people feel our current system works fine, some do not, some think no government is the best, while others do not, none of these people are correct or incorrect.


Also, has anyone here heard of the term "unschooling"?

What's unschooling?

Tim

Personally, I quite like maths and science; only chemistry and biology, no physics. For some unknown reason I am awful at physics and I can't stand it.

Basic math stays the same.

I was talking about absolutes in government, like the intended meaning of the constitution and amendments. The federalist papers, logic, past history, etc... Make that ***********CLEAR************, DESPITE what liberal idiots say.

As for history? YEP! Even TODAY they are trying to change Jesus statements in the BIBLE! Don't you just LOVE revisionists(sarc)? STILL, what is taught is what is taught. Whether programmed, or human, you have the same chance of learning the truth. ACTUALLY, programmed may be BETTER, because it is THERE and clear, and you have less debate when you try to check things out.

Theories, by their nature, AGAIN despite what liberal idiots say, aren't proven. AGAIN though, teachers are generally are likely to debate.

BTW about the poor building up society. If you are talking about BUMS, FORGET IT! Many helped DESTROY society. The ones described in "brther can you spare a dime" are a bit different. "Once I BUILT A RAILROAD, MADE IT RUN, NOW IT'S DONE..... Brother can you spare a dime". I'n such a case, I will GLADLY help out!

BTW if you listen to me enough, EVENTUALLY someone mentions how Bill gates is smart , computer literate, made the PC, etc.... MAN is that a SORE SPOT with me! He is STUPID, a MARKETER only(I don't know if he knows ANYTHING about computers except the little bit most know), and has HURT the PC! He made his money by serrupticiously taking over markets. (CP/M, xwindows, visicalc, wordperfect, Borland, etc....). In each case he replaced a better, albeit somewhat less snazzy, product. And people think HE created the market! HUH! M/S has typically LAGGED the market by 5 years or more. HECK, they didn't even start selling a language for PCs until PCs had been out for almost 5 years! They didn't REMARKET(NOTE, they did NOT make it) an OS until the PC had been out for TEN years!

Steve

I completed all the math required for a chemistry degree (calculus III). Though I
barely passed Cal III (B's in the first two). I would say I do not enjoy math but am
very interested in science.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschooling-dotcom/ This is what I found about unschooling....

I thought ill give it here since it says...

Sound's more like (Teach Yourself), i.e:- Extra study time, natural learning, directed learning.. Also "Home schooling" would be the right term to use as in *unschooling*. Guess it's a inside word they came up with..

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// This is a Essay about "Unschooling the Gifted Child: Defining the Challenge from Within".
// More detailed than the last link...
http://www.unschooling.com/library/essa ... hild.shtml

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Sounds like my kind of place! The picture of Lily is a nice touch. They don't say if they incorporated any lessons into that though. 8-( If I had kids, and I could, I would homeschool them ALL, and probably try to make sure they were at least 1 year ahead in EVERYTHING, although I would certainly support the strengths, and strengthen the weaknesses, which is something FEW schools do and some even REVEL in NOT doing!

Steve

I hate, hate, hate math. Science is ok, But in high school I went to a technical\ vocational school so I can't compare it to regular high school. I like alot of the science theory though. I really like history and the arts like film.

I'm very good at math, but I hate science with a passion. Does that make me unusual?