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17 Feb 2013, 6:51 am

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Just the word 'suicide' itself is highly depressing, extreme and negative, whatever the content of the discussion about it is.

Perhaps, but that's no excuse to censor it. Though, it seems like only one of the aforementioned threads really belongs here. I'd suggest moving the coping mechanisms to Haven, and the stigmatization discussion to PPR or something.

No-one's talking about censoring it, just them being posted in The Haven where they belong. There is no point having separate sub-forums on WP if everything gets posted in General, and many don't want to see such depressingly titled threads, we are struggling with enough depression and anxiety already. The choice of seeing them or not them is being taken away by them being posted in the wrong sub-forum.

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17 Feb 2013, 6:54 am

Yuugiri wrote:

In the first two pages, there are a total of three suicide threads*. One is about coping mechanisms, as was mentioned. One is a poll about the frequency with which WP members think about suicide. The third, from page 2, is a discussion about whether or not suicide should be stigmatized by society. The only one you could really categorize as negative is the last one, but even that's subjective.

I'm guessing you guys are mainly concerned about one thread in particular, the one written by DeadEnd? It seems to have mysteriously disappeared... In any case, threads like that are, as far as I can tell, an anomaly in this section of the forum. The other suicide threads are fairly innocuous.

*Threads mentioning suicide in the title. There could be others I'm missing.

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yeah its quite scary, not from my point of you but being scared for the people that feel that way, there are also hotlines you can call, many places designed to help people who are feeling that way. people on here are not professionals.

This post bothers me. Are you saying that we should turn away those who seek support? True, we are not professionals, but I think there are reasons why people specifically choose to talk about it here versus speaking to someone via a help line.

well i am fairly new to this site, so if you say the thread like from dead end is an anomaly i believe you and that was the one i was mostly worried about, the others are fine, in fact the coping mechanism is positive and the society one is interesting, im sorry that my post seemed generalized but i have the people who are suicidal welfare in mind, i question how much posting things like dead end did will be a benefit to him, it may even make things worse for him.

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17 Feb 2013, 6:56 am

whirlingmind wrote:

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Just the word 'suicide' itself is highly depressing, extreme and negative, whatever the content of the discussion about it is.

No-one's talking at censoring it, just them being posted in The Haven where they belong. There is no point having separate sub-forums on WP if everything gets posted in General, and many don't want to see such depressingly titled threads, we are struggling with enough depression and anxiety already. The choice of seeing them or not them is being taken away by them being posted in the wrong sub-forum.

yes that's true, i think it can be a trigger for people who suffer from things like ocd, i know it can for me.

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17 Feb 2013, 6:56 am

whirlingmind wrote:

Maybe you aren't, but others are. And some of these threads don't belong in Haven, such as the poll and the discussion. The point of Haven is to be cushy and accommodating. Debate and data-collection would be out of place.

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17 Feb 2013, 6:59 am

franknfurter wrote:

I haven't been here much longer than you have, though I may have seen more seeing as I've already gotten up to 400+ posts. In any case, perhaps the solution to the issue you are detailing is one of moderation. The next time someone sees a thread like DeadEnd's anywhere but Haven, they should report it to a mod, and it can be dealt with accordingly.

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17 Feb 2013, 7:03 am

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yes thats exactly what i think should happen, nice to see we have an agreement, i actually did not know about the haven area, that makes a lot of sense. its just from my point of you seeing those threads can set off unhelpful ocd thoughts, so having it in a area where i would have to click onto to see is much better.

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17 Feb 2013, 7:05 am

on a more positive note, my parents just got me a teapot, i love teapots.

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17 Feb 2013, 8:37 am

moderator note: alex doesn't like it when mods move too many threads around, so we tend to leave them where they are unless they realllllllllly have nothing to do with the subject matter where they are originally placed.

there was one recent that was removed because the OP was trolling, and i moved one thread to The Haven. but otherwise, most of the suicide thread will probably hang around this section unless people stop posting in them and they drop out of view. basically, people are bummed out because this time of year sucks. so the forum reflects that.

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17 Feb 2013, 8:58 am

That's interesting, because I think I had a (insignificant) thread moved once about whether someone in the public eye had AS, and I it was moved to, I think, Random. Then shortly after, someone else posted a thread just like it about someone else in the public eye possibly having AS, and it was left in General. I thought the proviso for General was that it had to have at least something to do with AS, which mine did and yet it was still moved and at least one other wasn't.

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17 Feb 2013, 9:42 am

Like others have already replied, it belongs in the Haven forum (but I'm not a Mod, so my opinion doesn't count). I don't know if it's simply people being "emo" or if they honestly feel in such a manner or want help, but I would think a forum wouldn't be the most effective means to get help/counseling.

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17 Feb 2013, 9:44 am

if anyone ever feels strongly that a thread should be moved, their best bet is to post a note in the moderator attention thread in WP.net discussion. we will review your request. don't suggest anything in the thread itself as moderators are unlikely to see it.

whirlingmind, if you want to send a PM with a link to the applicable thread, i can clarify the decision that was made.

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17 Feb 2013, 10:48 am

franknfurter wrote:

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i don't know its slightly disturbing, don't like it really. it should not be allowed.

I disagree censoring an issue does not make it go away. clearly suicide is a very big issue amongst people with Asperger's syndrome and autism; it's something that needs to be discussed and not something to be swept under the rug because it doesn't make you feel good.

i know but there are places where people help people that feel this way, some people may be disturbed by the content, and i am aware of the seriousness but they need professional help and some people on here make matters worse. i dont want it swept under the rug but the situation is very fragile, some people are not very nice on the threads about suicide.

These places that help people who feel this way know nothing about Asperger's so are likely to make the problem worse. Or they will just prescribe medications that cause people to commit suicide. Trust me, the only way I avoided committing suicide was by fixing the chemical that caused me to feel that way: Zoloft. I will never go to a psychiatrist again. They just make things worse for profit.

Ideally, these people would go to an Asperger's specialist who does not automatically try to put people on SSRI's. If one is not available, I think coming here is better than nothing.

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17 Feb 2013, 10:59 am

Tyri0n wrote:

franknfurter wrote:

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franknfurter wrote:

i don't know its slightly disturbing, don't like it really. it should not be allowed.

i suppose it depends where you live, im from the uk and i dont think that would happen, i have found psychologists who are very helpful

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17 Feb 2013, 11:01 am

hyperlexian wrote:

whirlingmind, if you want to send a PM with a link to the applicable thread, i can clarify the decision that was made.

Have PM'd you the link.

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17 Feb 2013, 11:03 am

franknfurter wrote:

Tyri0n wrote:

franknfurter wrote:

mrL wrote:

franknfurter wrote:

i don't know its slightly disturbing, don't like it really. it should not be allowed.

i suppose it depends where you live, im from the uk and i dont think that would happen, i have found psychologists who are very helpful

Fortunately, your medical system is not based on for profi$$$$$ corporations like ours is. That might make a difference in the quality of care received. Here, they just like to prescribe dangerous drugs for everything without even listening to the patient. And some of these drugs make suicidal ideation worse. It's documented in studies, but our government's Food and Drug Administration still approves them as a result of indirect bribery.

I think the advice of "get help" is not always a good idea. Especially if the only places to get help are individuals who make a profit off prescribing deadly drugs. That is my main point.

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17 Feb 2013, 11:05 am

Well I hate all the ''is [insert normal human trait here] an Aspie thing?'' threads, but now I just ignore them and look for threads that interest me. Also I get a little fed up with the ''do I have Asperger's?'' threads, although I'm not against them because General Autism Discussion isn't here for nothing, I'm just saying.

The suicide threads are best in the Haven because that's what the Haven is there for, and if you're an Aspie who is happy with yourself and your life then why make others feel bad about themselves by reading depressing topics that probably mean nothing to you personally?

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