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22 Feb 2013, 4:11 pm

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I'm pretty sure that's old news. I think I remember reading Simon saying somewhere that he and Sacha have an agreement-- when they're together, they don't talk shop. They agree to leave AS and Borat the hell alone, and talk about something other than work.

Although, in my own speculative little mind, I can see the whole thing being a sociology experiment that a couple of really smart possibly spectrum teenagers dreamed up one summer...

While we're making celebrity diagnoses, has anyone dug up any spectrum dirt on Charles Darwin??? Wouldn't that be funny??? If social Darwinism says we deserve to be mistreated, that it's only the natural order, and Darwin was an Aspie, that would be really funny, wouldn't it???

Hi BuyerBeware,

thanks for posting the type of post I was looking for (obviously I didn't include you in my previous summary of reply type).

Maybe they don't talk shop, but it does make me wonder whether there is anything in it.

What do you mean about the smart possibly spectrum teenagers? Do you mean the Baron-Cohen cousins?

I don't really know anything about social Darwinism, but I get your irony :wink:

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22 Feb 2013, 4:16 pm

I wasn't meaning to be sarcastic or insult you. I was expressing my confusion as to the reason you decided to post this. Perhaps this is just something I can't fathom?

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22 Feb 2013, 4:21 pm

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Well I don't class it as gossip, so that's where we differ. Having previously defended Wrong Planet's tone to other members who said it was full of negativity, I'm beginning to see what they mean. I wasn't hoping for anything other than decent human beings having reasonable comments. Clearly the decent ones are having the night off.

Hasn't anyone heard of a conversation, which is neither the depths of seriousness nor as "stimulating" as as bungee jumping.

It's great isn't it. First a moderator no less, breaks the rules about not making comments that insult the person (only the idea) and then the only other people who bother replying are those with negatives jibes or sarcasm.

Have a nice Friday night won't you.

I will still wait to see if anyone decent replies.

I posted nothing that was negative jibes or sarcasm. I am sorry if anything I posted came across that way, but I was trying to explain why the disdain toward the Daily Mail and why it is actually valid.

For that matter, I do not see how Cornflake was insulting you. It appeared to me that he was insulting the Daily Mail, which is not a person.

Please take a step back from the thread and look at how people are not insulting you or attacking you or even treating you badly. The worst thing was Cornflake got sarcastic about the story and the newspaper and insulted the paper directly, and neither of those things violate the forum rules. Nor are they a personal attack on you as the OP.

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22 Feb 2013, 4:31 pm

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Thanks for the advice - but I don't need to take a step back to see that Cornflake was insulting me by proxy, by saying things like:

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What I do see though is idle speculation and pointless "showbiz" tittle-tattle which doesn't actually attempt to establish anything of use or merit at all. It simply fills a space.

If you don't see what I mean, it's basically saying that by me using such a crap source for my post then it says something about me or my intellect. Otherwise why would I use such a source?

He made it even more concrete by saying:

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...you go looking to take it seriously and back it up like it's saying something relevant, important or of use? Using similar, showbiz tittle-tattle stories from other newspapers?

If that's not insulting me what is?!

He should be ashamed of himself, acting like that as a moderator. Someone that gets that sarcastic, demeaning and inflammatory has no business being a moderator in the first place. They are supposed to keep such opinion styles to themselves and be neutral and fair.

What you said just served to reinforce his attitude, even if you didn't mean it that way.

Edited to add, in reference to your previous post, I thought I explained the link in my OP, because Simon BC is an Asperger's expert, it would be ironic (or whatever) if his cousin was an Aspie.

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22 Feb 2013, 4:33 pm

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I wasn't meaning to be sarcastic or insult you. I was expressing my confusion as to the reason you decided to post this. Perhaps this is just something I can't fathom?

OK, but in that case it's better not to post, you know the saying "if you don't have anything nice to say, better to say nothing at all"? Like I said to Verdandi, in view of the tone of Cornflake's post it just serves to reinforce what he said.

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22 Feb 2013, 4:36 pm

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What you said just served to reinforce his attitude, even if you didn't mean it that way.

I have no idea how you got from what he wrote to what you interpreted him as writing. I am sorry that you see my post(s) as reinforcing an attitude I can't perceive.

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22 Feb 2013, 5:00 pm

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I wasn't aware that stating dissenting opinions constituted a "not nice" post. Beyond that, Cornflake had a point.

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22 Feb 2013, 5:12 pm

Verdandi wrote:

whirlingmind wrote:

What you said just served to reinforce his attitude, even if you didn't mean it that way.

I have no idea how you got from what he wrote to what you interpreted him as writing. I am sorry that you see my post(s) as reinforcing an attitude I can't perceive.

Well I think his comment that I quoted above (it's personally directed to me):

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...you go looking to take it seriously and back it up like it's saying something relevant, important or of use? Using similar, showbiz tittle-tattle stories from other newspapers?

is clear enough. But if you can't understand what I'm saying never mind, it's not worth the to-ing and fro-ing. Someone once used the term "dog pile" in another post, and it seemed a bit like that. I accept your intentions weren't bad anyway.

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22 Feb 2013, 5:18 pm

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whirlingmind wrote:

I wasn't aware that stating dissenting opinions constituted a "not nice" post. Beyond that, Cornflake had a point.

Not agreeing with what someone posts a thread about is one thing, but the "dog pile" that seemed to be forming is another, I don't think Cornflakes intentions were as innocent as everyone else's were intended to be, judging by the comment I have quoted in two posts to Verdandi. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but other than one poster, everyone was slagging off the newspaper rather than commenting on the article itself. All I wanted was peoples' views on whether SBC might be an Aspie - it was a lighthearted post, nothing heavy or serious. Instead it turned into something else off the bat. It doesn't matter, we really don't need to discuss that any more.

Back to the original post: interested in other replies.

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22 Feb 2013, 5:38 pm

whirlingmind wrote:

Thanks for the advice - but I don't need to take a step back to see that Cornflake was insulting me by proxy, by saying things like:

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What I do see though is idle speculation and pointless "showbiz" tittle-tattle which doesn't actually attempt to establish anything of use or merit at all. It simply fills a space.

Clearly, "what I do see" refers to what I saw in the article.

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If you don't see what I mean, it's basically saying that by me using such a crap source for my post then it says something about me or my intellect. Otherwise why would I use such a source?

I was very clearly criticising the source.

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He made it even more concrete by saying:

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...you go looking to take it seriously and back it up like it's saying something relevant, important or of use? Using similar, showbiz tittle-tattle stories from other newspapers?

If that's not insulting me what is?!

It is a statement of fact - that is what you did. You posted one "showbiz" story and linked to more to lend weight to your original story from The Daily Mail.

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He should be ashamed of himself, acting like that as a moderator. Someone that gets that sarcastic, demeaning and inflammatory has no business being a moderator in the first place. They are supposed to keep such opinion styles to themselves and be neutral and fair.

I am also a WP member and I am free to comment on anything here, just like any other member.
What I would not, and do not do, is allow my personal opinions to affect my moderating activity.

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22 Feb 2013, 6:00 pm

Sometimes, threads don't go as op intended and op doesn't get replies op wants, but that's just the nature of an online forum. I don't see it as wp being negative or members not being decent.

Personally, I don't like to speculate about celebrities being on the autism spectrum.

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22 Feb 2013, 6:42 pm

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It is a statement of fact - that is what you did. You posted one "showbiz" story and linked to more to lend weight to your original story from The Daily Mail.

I am also a WP member and I am free to comment on anything here, just like any other member. What I would not, and do not do, is allow my personal opinions to affect my moderating activity.

I could say that someone is ugly as a statement of fact - that doesn't make it OK to say it or to imply it does it. I know we are supposed to be lacking in empathy, but that doesn't mean it's OK to be sarcastic and demeaning. If you did something and I criticised what you did, and justified it by saying I was only stating facts, that just doesn't cut it.

Perhaps you should have different usernames when you are in WP member and WP moderating capacity then, because it just gives a bad impression of moderators.

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22 Feb 2013, 7:02 pm

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I could say that someone is ugly as a statement of fact - that doesn't make it OK to say it or to imply it does it.

But I said nothing about you.

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If you did something and I criticised what you did, and justified it by saying I was only stating facts, that just doesn't cut it.

I didn't criticise what you did, either.

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Perhaps you should have different usernames when you are in WP member and WP moderating capacity then, because it just gives a bad impression of moderators.

If what I post to a thread isn't a moderating action, I'm posting to it as an ordinary member. You won't see any of the moderation team doing both in a thread.
Which is to say: by responding to a thread like an ordinary member we automatically disqualify ourselves from moderating it too. That seems a reasonable safeguard against making biased moderation decisions.

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22 Feb 2013, 7:22 pm

whirlingmind wrote:

Perhaps you should have different usernames when you are in WP member and WP moderating capacity then, because it just gives a bad impression of moderators.

I actually made this suggestion to a moderator on another forum (not related to autism or mental health or disability at all) and he gave it a try. It turned out this was a really bad idea, although I do not recall the specifics.

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23 Feb 2013, 5:45 am

Cornflake wrote:

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If you did something and I criticised what you did, and justified it by saying I was only stating facts, that just doesn't cut it.

I didn't criticise what you did, either.

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Perhaps you should have different usernames when you are in WP member and WP moderating capacity then, because it just gives a bad impression of moderators.

1) You did, you clearly criticised me Googling to find equally trashy tabloids to back up the original trashy tabloid opinion to justify what I posted! I've referenced it in two posts already, check back and re-read.

2) Well all I can answer to that is, as an Aspie, I take a lot at face value, I see the name "Moderator" below someone's username and it leads to a logical and automatic assumption.

We really don't need to waste time discussing this any further do we.

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23 Feb 2013, 6:26 am

Cornflake wrote:

So a gossipy rag publishes a speculative article on its showbiz pages and you go looking to take it seriously and back it up like it's saying something relevant, important or of use? Using similar, showbiz tittle-tattle stories from other newspapers?
Well, good luck with that one... :wink:

I have no idea whether the Chicago Tribune would be considered a rag, but they too have hinted at the same information provided in the tabloids.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012 ... y-disorder

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Sacha as Sacha. Stripped of his outrageous cover (he was promoting "Bruno" at that time), he seemed uniquely uncomfortable in advancing his own opinions -- so much so, that he came across as intentionally bland. The real Sacha, I am told, is brilliant and well read, comes from an orthodox Jewish background and is extraordinarily difficult to work with on a professional level.

One thing I can say, is that The Telegraph is not a rag, and they are also in concurrence.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film ... -mask.html

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Divining what Baron Cohen really thinks isn’t easy as he rarely speaks out of character, and is particularly reluctant to explain his work.

Even those who work closely with him admit to knowing almost nothing about his life away from the job. “During the auditions and rehearsals, he was the Sacha you think you know,” says his Dictator co-star Anna Faris, “but he kept his personal life and personality hidden.”

I would deduce that that there is at least some truth in what the Daily Mail has reported. They say there is no smoke without fire, and I feel that even if what has been printed is not an indication of AS (or anything), your take that the source of the information being dubious making the information itself a lie, has been dis-proven, and that 'it ain't necessarily so'.

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