why are they pushing me out of my comfort zone?

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23 Feb 2013, 4:16 pm

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If I buy clothes i'll go to the sale table or a thrift shop and grab a some things that look like something I would like, in a size that I know I already own and go.

I shop this way too. I know the brands and my size in those brands. No fussing, just yes or no.
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Then I find out from someone else the styles clash, does not fit right even though it looks/fits fine to me etc.

That's not fair. You shouldn't be encouraged to do your own shopping and then be criticized for what you choose. Wear what you like and if they're bothered by it, too bad.



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23 Feb 2013, 5:48 pm

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This, this! The difficulty in question is with "motor planning" (the ability of the brain to automatically deduce and follow the appropriate steps). Many autistic people lack this ability and it's one of the pieces of autism which tends to be least understood by NTs, who assume that not being able to complete multi-step tasks which they don't have to think about is "laziness" or "being difficult".


Is that what this is? It's really frustrating to deal with. Well, it's more frustrating that other people expect me to just know how to do things without explaining them. If they were more accommodating it wouldn't matter as much.

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While I feel the same way about not being my age and struggling to be independent, it is true that learning to be more independent is extremely important, because your parents won't be able to look after you forever. If they have decided you need to be more independent then what you need to do is work out a way that this will be least difficult and uncomfortable to you and communicate it. Often autistic people have trouble communicating exactly what the difficulty is or the help they need (sometimes they don't even know themselves because they have nothing to compare their own brain processes to) and well-intentioned neurotypical people will misunderstand and think they are helping you when they may be traumatising you.


I agree with all of this. I think my posts last night may have come across as encouraging not trying to be independent, but I was more trying to point out that these tasks can be difficult. I think trying to learn skills like this is overall a good idea. I much prefer being able to do many of the things I can do than relying on other people to do them for me.



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24 Feb 2013, 7:03 am

Verdandi wrote:
Jinks wrote:
This, this! The difficulty in question is with "motor planning" (the ability of the brain to automatically deduce and follow the appropriate steps). Many autistic people lack this ability and it's one of the pieces of autism which tends to be least understood by NTs, who assume that not being able to complete multi-step tasks which they don't have to think about is "laziness" or "being difficult".


Is that what this is? It's really frustrating to deal with. Well, it's more frustrating that other people expect me to just know how to do things without explaining them. If they were more accommodating it wouldn't matter as much.


Yes, motor planning difficulties are associated with dyspraxia and extremely common if not usual in autism. It explained a lot for me to discover that when neurotypical people are faced with a multi-step process, their brain automatically calculates the appropriate actions based on prior experiences and their body automatically follows them. No conscious thought is involved unless it involves learning a skill or gadget they've never used before, and even then, their brain automatically "fill in the blanks" by referencing past experiences.

I've noticed that many NTs, who don't understand that their brain does this and a few people's don't, refer to this process as "common sense" and complain that I don't have any when I stand in the kitchen and bewilderedly try to figure out the steps and tools necessary to transfer a pile of raw vegetables into a meal. Autistic people often have to manually figure out every step of a multi-step process and also manually carry the steps out - for example, they will have to pay attention to where they are putting down a pan lid so it doesn't knock anything over or fall off the work surface, whereas a NT person doesn't even have to look because their brain already calculated an appropriate location based on prior observation of the area and automatically moved their arm there! Combine this with the autistic inability to multitask and things like this are incredibly difficult unless there are clear step-by-step instructions or the person has completed the task enough times to memorise the steps. And of course it is sadly also something that is almost impossible for neurotypical people to understand, because for someone who takes these automatic processes for granted, it just comes over as stupidity or laziness. :?



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24 Feb 2013, 7:40 am

Does this also have anything to do with having to relearn the same skills or tasks in different contexts?

And thank you, that puts a lot of things into words that I had not fully been able to before. When I try to explain these things to my therapist (for example) she says most people have trouble like this, but I suspected this was not the case because other people just do not seem to have or understand the kinds of difficulties I have with these things (and that lack of understanding may be why she thinks I am saying something different).

I do not know if I have dyspraxia or not. I have some rather dyspraxic issues, but I have never really been assessed.



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01 Mar 2013, 4:16 pm

THIS is why:

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01 Mar 2013, 4:28 pm

Dreycrux wrote:
Learning to be independent and self reliant is the most liberating thing in the world. You are your own master, it is most definitely something to work towards.
This^^^^^

You know what I did last night? Anything I wanted to do.

Why? Because I don't have to answer to anyone.

Being self-sufficient is worth it.