*sigh* another ignorant fool who thinks autism is fake!

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Possibly just loony and delusional and in complete denial as a result denying all neurological disorders in order to cope with reality thus creating his own false reality.He probably checks all his electronic devices for surveylance devices and thinks there little green men in his closet.

That person is an a$$.And he's pissed because he's diagnosed with something,or he's in denial,or he's off his meds and needs back on them,pronto.
True some psychiatric drugs are over prescribed,like Xanax.But that's because you have lots of fakers who want the drugs for recreational use or to sell.
And some people would rather use a quick fix like a pill instead of long term talk therapy.
Some doctors over medicate or misdiagnose but for a lot of people psychiatric drugs are the difference between having a life,being dead,institutionalized or just bat $hit crazy.
No telling how many others he annoyed,he thinks he's on a mission.
He buys lots and lots of tinfoil.

He wasn't trolling, he was just giving his worthless two cents of an opinion.

Just let it go, You know there are tons of people like this that are dumb enough to think mental disorders and other conditions are "all made up" and a societal myth. Most likely it never hit close to home for them so they don't consider it real or don't even bother to understand.

However - some mental disorders, especially some ofthe new ones added to the DSM-5, are just plain old horsesh*t and overdiagnosis does happen.

^^I guess you may be right, he's just an idiot oh I wish there was a cure for stupidity.

I am not a fan of the bDSM. I also believe in the value of prescription medications. The experience of autistic perception is very real. Still, I feel uncomfortable with the words psychological "disorder". I do not like saying that a person is disordered because it sounds at tad derogatory. Maybe my concern about the word “disorder” is unnecessary.

Why does he give credence to the less-supported opinions and dismiss the mainstream opinions? I think that that in itself shows his very biased attitude. Regardless of the facts he seems to be determined to deny the existence of mental disorders. It's as if he's brainwashed or something. Brainwashed people cannot see the obvious.

But his emails are really a good laugh. Maybe you can provoke him further to get more entertainment out of him. Or should we be feeling sorry for him?

I'm sorry if what I am about to say seems to improperly put you into some crosshairs. Very little of what I am about to say is directed at you, only the way in which you worded this single post. I have no opinion about you as a whole person; nor whether your beliefs are right or wrong. What you said above in this one post gives me some trouble and is an example of why I cannot make up my own mind, and why I believe it is wrong for me to do so.

To jk1:
Why is a mainstream OPINION more likely to be correct than a less-supported OPINION? To me you seem biased yourself in that you are simply following the crowd. I am always hesitant to when someone says a mental disorder doesn't exist: I often supect that they actually are only referring to a portion of the conceived whole: e.g. "The Myth of Autism" see below is written by three authors, two of whom are Aspergians. How do you know that you have not been brainwashed yourself? I'm not saying you are or are not brainwashed; I just wonder what makes you so confident that your view is factually correct (as opposed to accepted OPINION).

To everyone:
It's probably not my place to say this as I'm still a newbie to all this. A few weeks ago I read "The Myth of Autism" by Sami Timimi, Neil Gardner and Brian McCabe (2011). I'm not saying that the person who emailed the OP is right or wrong; while most of what he said is crude, I can't help but think there is some sliver of truth in the SENTIMENTS he is trying to express (there is also a lot of wrong in there when it comes to facts). When people argue they always seem to me to argue to extremes. My question is how do you know your view is the correct one when it comes to autism or asperger's from a medical standpoint? Obviously there is something different with the brains of autistics and aspergians; obviously they experience the world differently from non-autistics and non-aspergians. When someone calls these 'myths' they usually do not mean that these states of mind do not exist, though it often looks literally like that is what they say due to not expressing themselves well or readers who have a hard stance in one direction or another. I mean sure you might have a lot of support from others supporting that they also think one's opinion is correct. As I see it I cannot make up my mind about which side is correct when it comes to what autism or aspergers is or are from a physical/medical point of view. When I started learning about the points of view of mind doctors, they all repeat the same thing and I believed it. Then I read "The Myth of Autism" and I have not been able to stop questioning what is actually known fact. I can no longer see anything that resembles proof that some drug will help heal, cure, alleviate anything (though perhaps one might eventually be shown to do so). To me it seems like the mind doctors are essentially just guessing. Obviously there is something different in the brains. I can't help but wonder if my mind would be normal if I could compare my brain to the normal brains of people living hundreds of years ago. I can't help but wonder if the disorder is not in the majority of today's population (who all look to me unnatural and like they are going to destroy themselves and the world [the socio-economic situations influencing today's populations pointed out by the authors made a lot of sense to me, given I have always have had an innate sense of hatred for the way economies of today influence and function]). The only fact that I can see is that there is a difference in brains and how people with those brains function; everything else about the labeling, treatment, causes and understanding seems like there are biases, confusion, and guessing all over the place on all sides of every argument. So I have to ask what convinces some of you at the way the brain doctors interpret the data is correct or incorrect? For me, as of this posting, I don't have an opinion that can be convincingly swayed one way or the other.

I'm sorry if this post seems out of place. The situation just got me thinking, and I almost didn't bother posting; just in case someone could give me some insight. Thanks if you read this far and it had some meaning.

EDIT: Also please keep in mind that 'myth' can mean something that is untrue, but it can also mean something that is 'unproven'. Also myths can grow out of seeds of truth: i.e. something real can become heavily distorted over time based on a string of re-tellings or re-explanations.

Lol very tempting popcorn sales would skyrocket indeed however it would probably be considered flame baiting even if it was simple logic also though he's not a wp member I don't think the mods would approve no matter how funmy it may be. I might make a youtube vid response to it though!

Anytime you are in the public eye you can expect to get some weird feedback.

I am pretty sure autism is real, as a child my only means of speech were singing and echolalia until I was 4 I had little expression and did not like to be hugged, had really bad sensory overloads and self harmed for years and years. As I got older and through many different psychiatrists I finally got a diagnosis of Autism now this was during the late 80s and early 90s when the only references to autism was by watching Rainman. After lots of patience and persistence I was more expressive and started to like hugs I still have sensory issues and eye contact I also self harm when i have bad meltdowns and I stim even when I dont realize it I tend to get fixated on topics of interest for long periods of time if thats not autism and or if autism does not exist then that means I am normal and 95% of the world are insane. After getting diagnosed I denied it for years and years and just thought of myself as odd etc and throughout those years and years I have been labled as a ret*d a freak or called Rainman and being bullied, beaten, and harassed for it. Even if the diagnosis or if autism did not exist I would most likely get the same treatment by other peers because of the fact that I am not like them am abnormal and prefer to work alone and not in groups therefor worthy of being considered inferior and an outcast. Due to lack of understanding and awareness I thought I was alone in the world until as years went by and the internet became more popular and awareness has been heightened and sites like this one have come out I feel for once that I am not alone and that I am not the only one who lives like this growing up. When I have meltodowns to the point of self harm they are practically involuntarily after a certain point and sometimes when I am toe walking flapping my hands or pacing I have trouble at times stopping from that. If it isnt autism then what is it? I dont take meds I was never prescribed any I refuse meds for the most part, I just tough it out. I have high anxiety though and avoid people when I have anxiety attacks otherwise i have a meltdown shortly after leading to self harm.

I agree with everything you just said in this post and nothing I said in my previous post was intended to say otherwise. I KNOW that the traits and experiences of autistic and aspergian people are real. I KNOW that many of these traits cause suffering and pain. I would never suggest that anything that is experienced in such cases is fake or unreal. Until recently I was very suicidal due to my own traits.

Now what some people do suggest, which I agree with partly, is that autism and asperger's COULD be heavily mythologized from a medical point of view: this does NOT mean that it does not exist entirely; using the terminology 'myth' is one way in which some people say that its causes and treatment have been manipulated and modified by scientists, doctors, and society: i.e they really have no true understanding of the causes and treatment. Take DSM for example: at one stage Aspergers existed in DSM IV. Then in DSM V it no longer exists because the understanding of what it is is in such flux: i.e. the doctors just do not know what it is or isn't and cannot make up their minds as to what their opinions should be when it comes to the cause and treatment. So now what originally looked like two different extremes (possibly on a spectrum) is lumped together as one. The reason for this is that while the traits or effects of autism and asperger's are visible to the doctors, the cause of these traits is still just a blurry guess. Admitting this will of course make some people uncomfortable or reduce the level of hope that they need to feel ok. Some people will cling to certain theories. Some 'myths', are just 'theories'.

I too do not take meds and prefer not to. My reason being is that I do not trust that any doctor can simply know in the current state of knowledge what will or will not work and the guessing game that comes along with it isn't worth the side effects. There are many other reasons too: meds are influenced by business; and some people have suggested that meds are an easy way out for psychiatrists: i.e. instead of understanding and personalizing treatments, they can just try a series of drugs and hope that eventually something works. It's also bad business if any psychiatrist were to admit there is no treatment.

When people do not understand something they come up with theories or myths: e.g. you can catch a cold if you stay out in cold weather. This is an overly simple example of a medical myth. Viruses cause colds. Viruses just happen to be more active in cold weather. Until the existence of viruses was discovered, people and doctors had to create a cause or explanation in order to come to terms with reality (i.e. that colds exist). Right now certain neurological conditions like autism and asperger's are explained like 'colds' before the discovery of 'viruses'. Humans often create theories to explain reality. These theories/opinions become accepted or believed by many and so become myth when later evidence shows that those theories were actually incorrect. In other words, autism and asperger's MIGHT be seen by future generations as real medical conditions that have explanations and treatments surrounded by countless myths. "Autism is a myth" has a very DIFFERENT meaning from "the myth of autism": the first means that autism might not be real, the second means that much of what is said about autism (in this case by the medical community) is not necessarily real/true, BUT autism itself is real. Unfortunately some people do not see the grammatical distinction and confusion ensues. I suspect that okonkwachon45 (spelling? I'm horrible with names. ) meant that there are many myths about autism, rather than autism being a myth. Much of what he said in a very poor manner (at 4 am I think I saw), sounds like he read the "The Myth of Autism" 2011 but didn't fully grasp what was being said or has not been able to express himself properly. Always question a person's grammar before questioning their thoughts.

I dont know from the way he said it it sure seems to him that ALL mental disabilities are made up, heres his posts he made on YouTube and about a week after my comment that is when he felt compelled to send me these rediculous emails. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHxr2etrfKc you can see his stupid spamming posts on there.And if hes not a troll then why did he send me this video? [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75QihdgK9dU[/youtube]Heres also a post on that video below.



okonkwochan45 2 days ago

There is no such thing as autism get over it
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To AspieOtaku:
Yeah...I think you are correct. Having looked at his other posts I have to agree with you that there is something up with him. He does seem to believe what he is saying, so I would not go so far as to say he is trolling; what makes it very strange is that many of his examples are topics mentioned in the "The Myth of Autism" 2011. It is clear to me that he must have read bits and pieces of this book for his research paper, but I get the feeling he only skimmed it and took certain discussions completely out of context so that there is plenty of distortion in his views/interpretations. Perhaps he is only in highschool, and so the subject matter is a little too advanced for him (he did have troubles spelling 'science' and I admit I had not considered how much grammatical improvement you added to his words). I would love to be a fly on the wall when the teacher is writing their comments about his work.

Oh and I laughed when you wrote:
"I have autism and this video doesn't make any sense but for some reason it makes me want to play 8 bit video games." 8-bit video games is exactly the first thing that came to my mind when that video started playing. Those musicians were geniuses to work with what little they had.

Think of it this way. All my life I knew something was wrong. Not because I was indoctrinated, or because I was even aware of psychological conditions or disorders. I was undiagnosed until very recently. I was painfully aware that a lot of people had made negative comments to me regarding my interactions and traits, they weren't trying to indoctrinate me or pull the wool over my eyes, they were noticing that I was different from other people. When I finally found out about Asperger's about 6 years ago, I realised what I had and why I behaved that way. I had a particular combination of traits and behaviours that actually were a recognised condition. I didn't go to a psychologist and ask them to make up a condition based on my personal human behaviours. The reason AS was identified was because it was abnormal behaviour compared to the rest of the population. They don't try to fit people's normal human traits into the DSM criteria, the DSM and IDC are strict lists of specific behaviours that are outside of the norm and problematic, hence a syndrome. Ignore this person, they are way too evangelical in their approach. I'm not saying there are no tiny grains of truth in some of what they say, but they have taken it to the extreme and disorted things.

AspieOtaku,

You really seem to be a magnet for creeps and weirdos.

I'd ignore this douche bag.

Ignore message and block the profile, that's what I would have done.