Thought provoking...autistic "Dreamweavers"

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I don't have much else to say on this topic, but I'll post here what I sent in response to your PM:

It's not about what works or doesn't work for me.

It's questioning others as to why they feel something works for them.

And if they feel they're indigo children, and are special, and have a mission, great. They're free to share that belief. And if I disagree with it and feel it should be questioned, then that's my belief, which I'm also free to share.

In an argument you can't use personal attacks because it ostracizes the person you are trying to relay information to. It makes them not want to hear what you've said despite it's logical nature. And where you are entitled to your opinion that people who are christian, muslim, or how ever otherwise spiritually inclined have no self respect. It is an inflaming statement that will upset people and make them ignore everything else in your paragraph.

I have no problem with the fact that you want to push the envelope but it is arrogant to think that what you know is true for you is also true for everyone else. It's arrogance without any negative intention but it's still arrogance.

I'm not trying to launch a personal attack against any individual. And if you want to ignore my opinion because you think I'm arrogant, feel free. And I never discussed Christians or Muslims. And I'm not actually trying to push any envelope, though I did worry a difference of opinion would be ill received. Thank you for understanding I have no negative intention. But if you're more concerned with how you perceived my tone rather than my opinion, then I don't know what else to say.

There are one or two people the thread that have referred to the subject as "New Age" which apparently it isn't. The person who actually apparently first identified the indigo auras of these children/people was someone with synaesthesia - which is actually a trait in some autistic people. She wasn't some 'psychic' claiming to see auras. I can't find the link that I was reading yesterday about this, but that is what it said. It also contained information about how Wikipedia would not allow factual corrections to their inaccurate page on indigo children, even the inclusion of a book (apparently it already had information on other books). This information was 3 years old though so I don't know if Wikipedia has changed it's page since then.

I see a lot of new age fluff about spiritualism, shamanism and even telepathic healing in here which makes it difficult to take this seriously. I appreciate that the author wants to highlight the positive and special talents that some autistic individuals have, but there are more grounded ways to do so.

I suppose you could say that I am one of those boring, closed-minded people who value objectivity and concreteness over vague and unsubstantiated spiritual claims.

On a tangential note, this is a good video on open-mindedness:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI[/youtube]

Well, I really enjoyed the article. Thank you for posting it. Yes, it was a little "fluffy" but clearly very whole-hearted and it shares a lot of wonderful ideas which I'd like to see talked about more. I really hope this thread doesn't degenerate into an argument about spirituality vs science, as I would like to see some discussion about the things in the article. I am interested in reading more about autism and spirituality, so if anyone else has any more book recommendations in addition to the ones made in the article I'd be happy to hear them.

I'm one of those people who feels an affinity for the "energy" mentioned in this article (I don't really consider myself "new age" or to have any particular spiritual or religious affiliation, it's just the way I happen to experience things) and I was nodding away with a big smile on my face when I read the part about stimming - I was very pleased to find I'm not the only one who considers them to be "energy patterns". I also found some of the other ideas extremely interesting and worthy of some pondering.

And I loved the story about the boy making patterns with the water - really beautiful! That's the kind of thing which makes you realise the extent to which NT people, and even higher-functioning autistics who are constantly told by NTs how we ought to be looking at things, might be completely misunderstanding and misinterpreting autism, just because it represents a perspective on life which is different.

I understand where you're coming from entirely, I had the same type of things to say to my ex girlfriend who was way too far into these things...
"Indigo Child" isn't the same as Aspie though, not all of them are aspies... It's quite difficult to explain how I feel about the subject. It's more of a framework for looking at cultural evolution for me; a paradigm shift, spiritual awakening. Whatever you'd like to call it. Spiritual awakening does not have to imply anything theistic or believing in aliens etc.