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25 Apr 2013, 12:42 pm

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OMG, the Symphony of Science stuff is fantastic! Beautiful stuff. :D

As for contemplating dog-god word play...doesn't further my current agenda. You do it & get back to us if you find anything useful. But consider this...if it's so profound, so deep & meaningful, why doesn't it hold true in all languages in the same way that fear, anger, joy & disgust are universal facial expressions among humans?


hmmm...fascinating response....what I wrote was worth it just to receive this:-) I keep forgetting that other people do not always think like me.

To answer your question, ancient people formulated different concepts by the way language was designed, so the forming of words was in itself a way of speaking, and different cultures focused on different points of relationship. So with the Allah and Dios, two other fascinating (to me) conceptual relationships are being expressed. You seem to be thinking there is an actual God which exists the same as these other qualities or that "God" is an entity (presence) that arises out of your human functioning? No answer required. Be happy.

p.s. I edited this to add, a tree is a tree, just as an emotion is an emotion.. Seeing a tree or experiencing an emotion is matter of fact, though it is named, but the idea of God being deliberately connected to the word dog so as to say something else involves a much more complex conceptual relationship, so if you try to correlate this kind of conceptual relationship to a tree or an emotion then this implies that you think the deliberate "dog is God spelled backwards correlation," if it even was deliberate, and I think it was, is about the existence of a dog in the same way as the existence of a tree, which is how I came to conclude that you think God is an entiry. It is okay if you do, as some people think that way, but I was talking about a conceptual relationship. Of course you should think about what interests you and in the way that interests you.



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25 Apr 2013, 12:57 pm

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You seem to be thinking there is an actual God which exists the same as these other qualities or that "God" is an entity (presence) that arises out of your human functioning?


No, I do not think there is a god that exists. I think there's nothing particularly profound about anagrams, that's all. You seemed to be implying that there was. So to contemplate the supposed implications of dog-god is no more important to me that considering the implications of done-node. If you want to play w/words in your head, that's fine. I'm trying to improve my understanding of my dog's body language for improved communication between us.

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25 Apr 2013, 1:12 pm

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littlebee wrote:
You seem to be thinking there is an actual God which exists the same as these other qualities or that "God" is an entity (presence) that arises out of your human functioning?


No, I do not think there is a god that exists. I think there's nothing particularly profound about anagrams, that's all. You seemed to be implying that there was. So to contemplate the supposed implications of dog-god is no more important to me that considering the implications of done-node. If you want to play w/words in your head, that's fine. I'm trying to improve my understanding of my dog's body language for improved communication between us.

:)


Okay. Great. I just edited my message to explain how I came to the conclusion of thinking you thought God is an entiry, and then I saw this message, Yes, to me done-node would be significant....that is a good one! Personally I have spent hundreds of hours pondering this kind of thing such as consonant bases, inserting different vowels in the center and playing these backwards and forwards, which is how I came to understand how language was constructed, and many other things. Maybe someone else will get something out of what I wrote.



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25 Apr 2013, 1:23 pm

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Okay. Great. I just edited my message to explain how I came to the conclusion of thinking you thought God is an entiry, and then I saw this message, Yes, to me done-node would be significant....that is a good one! Personally I have spent hundreds of hours pondering this kind of thing such as consonant bases, inserting different vowels in the center and playing these backwards and forwards, which is how I came to understand how language was constructed, and many other things. Maybe someone else will get something out of what I wrote.


I'm cool w/that. Enjoy... :D



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25 Apr 2013, 1:33 pm

DonkeyBuster wrote:
OMG, the Symphony of Science stuff is fantastic! Beautiful stuff. :D


Thanks for starting this thread! All this affection for Feynman and love for Symphony of Science made my day!



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26 Apr 2013, 8:59 am

de constructing language is like an acid trip, a dog provided food and protection to one who owned a dog... the dog is like a guardian angel

dogs dont like to be bored either



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26 Apr 2013, 10:40 am

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de constructing language is like an acid trip, a dog provided food and protection to one who owned a dog... the dog is like a guardian angel

dogs dont like to be bored either


Wow! I thought I was done on this thread. Yes, a dog is like an angel, and that is like a part of oneself,ones being, but a man can think.

Re "deconstructing" language, the idea is to find the deeper language that is underneath...a deeper substance and meaning can be found there, but it requires to think in a new way from many different angles, in a way which is comprehensive.

I like Feynman, too, and am really into physics, even figured out (my version of:-) a universal theory, but to me these videos inserted in online dialogue are like a flash in the pain. Thinking about things very deeply and inquiring together is something else. A person could think about word roots or physics or anything, a cartoon, a movie. It is the way you do it. There is external stimulation, and I like that, too, and if it is not there then a person can get bored, but once a person discovers how to deeply ponder he will never be bored again. That is why I responded to the original message, to give something. I was really giving food, but it was not perceived as food, rather that I was trying to take food away. That is okay. I learned something.



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26 Apr 2013, 10:57 am

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:D Anomiel!

I am always filled with joy when I find someone who shares my delight in things!

And it's even better when I can share something new with someone who I know will appreciate it!

So here is Max Tegmark:
http://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/
His page is not beautifully designed, but his ideas are breathtaking!

In particular
http://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html
and in particular
http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/9704009.pdf
and
http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0302131.pdf

Enjoy! :D


Thank you, I really enjoyed that :D I'm like a pianist who can't read music with the equations of it but I love it so much. He should get more recognition in Sweden, him being half-swede :)



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26 Apr 2013, 11:11 am

littlebee wrote:
boywonder wrote:
de constructing language is like an acid trip, a dog provided food and protection to one who owned a dog... the dog is like a guardian angel

dogs dont like to be bored either


Wow! I thought I was done on this thread. Yes, a dog is like an angel, and that is like a part of oneself,ones being, but a man can think.

Re "deconstructing" language, the idea is to find the deeper language that is underneath...a deeper substance and meaning can be found there, but it requires to think in a new way from many different angles, in a way which is comprehensive.

I like Feynman, too, and am really into physics, even figured out (my version of:-) a universal theory, but to me these videos inserted in online dialogue are like a flash in the pain. Thinking about things very deeply and inquiring together is something else. A person could think about word roots or physics or anything, a cartoon, a movie. It is the way you do it. There is external stimulation, and I like that, too, and if it is not there then a person can get bored, but once a person discovers how to deeply ponder he will never be bored again. That is why I responded to the original message, to give something. I was really giving food, but it was not perceived as food, rather that I was trying to take food away. That is okay. I learned something.


If it helps I've always appreciated your input and see you as more of a giver (and sometimes a matcher) and I'm not going to explain those concepts in my own words because this link does it much better. http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/ ... -and-take/ :)
The "Symphony of science" music/science-videos are rewarding both for those that already have a deep understanding of the subject, and for those wanting to know more. They are something different than pondering an universal theory (which I do too), but then again they don't claim to be the same.
Deeply pondering was what Adamantium talked about. I agree with both of you that once you do that then you will never be bored again (unless depressed or suffering from anhedonia).



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27 Apr 2013, 6:28 am

A bore is the width of a gun barrel. If one widens one horizons, the view down the bore becomes greater, more interesting and less limiting
The calibre of bullets fired down the larger bore, becomes greater too



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27 Apr 2013, 6:38 am

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A bore is the width of a gun barrel. If one widens one horizons, the view down the bore becomes greater, more interesting and less limiting
The calibre of bullets fired down the larger bore, becomes greater too


NO.

"Bores" are those people in South Africa who speak Afrikaans.

Or..no..

"Bores" are wild pigs.

Arent they?

One of the two.



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27 Apr 2013, 6:44 am

Both are boars
And spoken more with an A



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27 Apr 2013, 12:03 pm

littlebee wrote:
That is why I responded to the original message, to give something. I was really giving food, but it was not perceived as food, rather that I was trying to take food away. That is okay. I learned something.


You know, in part that was my bad...I was so taken up by the symphony of science videos (I watched several, & then that lead to some fascinating TED talks) that I forgot what the original topic was! :lol: So it was more like a distraction, not so much a subtraction, just not something that complimented where I was at the moment. :roll: And I'm glad there are other people here who find your interest stimulating. :) Cheers!



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27 Apr 2013, 12:10 pm

Anomiel wrote:
Deeply pondering was what Adamantium talked about. I agree with both of you that once you do that then you will never be bored again (unless depressed or suffering from anhedonia).


Mildly disagree...one's own deep ponderings can become dulled, old, stale & one searches for new perspectives from which to ponder the ponderings, new information to increase the depth, breadth, width & spiritual dimensioning of the pondering...a little hot sauce on the eggs, a little poke to the amygdala, a little adrenaline dump.

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27 Apr 2013, 1:45 pm

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littlebee wrote:
That is why I responded to the original message, to give something. I was really giving food, but it was not perceived as food, rather that I was trying to take food away. That is okay. I learned something.


You know, in part that was my bad...I was so taken up by the symphony of science videos (I watched several, & then that lead to some fascinating TED talks) that I forgot what the original topic was! :lol: So it was more like a distraction, not so much a subtraction, just not something that complimented where I was at the moment. :roll: And I'm glad there are other people here who find your interest stimulating. :) Cheers!


Thanks to you and Anomiel (I will respond to your message later). And in part my bad, as when you mentioned you were no longer bored, there was technically no reason for me to write anything, but I threw in the Dog--God thing because I figured you would probably be bored again later, and also that is very interesting to me, and an opportunity came up. At least I did not write about mouth when you mentioned dog's mouth as I was thinking something or other about the lip of a black hole:-)

Yes, you and others were experiencing some moments of beauty and some communion around that. Cannot discount it, but to me that kind of online experience, though genuine and true, is kind of a flash in the pan. The tape I was on was not in synch with that.

But it was all worth it to me to get the angel message from that guy. He intuited what I was hinting at, which was not about pondering, which was the overt meaning, but something about how material can organize in a human being so as to create a different dimension of which the dog represents the emotional aspect, but a dog is not a man. A man has reason.

Sometimes certain things don't quite seem to fit in a certain place but they somehow end up their anyway, so maybe they do, nd then if it is consciously thought out, the world can change, which opens a different dimension where emotions are not just triggered as a reaction but there is an entirely different dimension where thought can create something substantial, That is not the same as looking at a tree or any kind of symmetry, even the symmetry of ideas, which both can be of great beauty. But I appreciate trees, form and symmetry, too, in fact I have been hooked on form and beauty like a drug, not to imply that you are..



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27 Apr 2013, 2:37 pm

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But it was all worth it to me to get the angel message from that guy. He intuited what I was hinting at, which was not about pondering, which was the overt meaning, but something about how material can organize in a human being so as to create a different dimension of which the dog represents the emotional aspect, but a dog is not a man. A man has reason.

Sometimes certain things don't quite seem to fit in a certain place but they somehow end up their anyway, so maybe they do, nd then if it is consciously thought out, the world can change, which opens a different dimension where emotions are not just triggered as a reaction but there is an entirely different dimension where thought can create something substantial, That is not the same as looking at a tree or any kind of symmetry, even the symmetry of ideas, which both can be of great beauty. But I appreciate trees, form and symmetry, too, in fact I have been hooked on form and beauty like a drug, not to imply that you are..


Ah, serendipity...she should at the very least be a muse, if not a full blown Goddess. :D