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06 May 2013, 2:27 am

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Emotional biases can lead us to making poor decisions but it seems to me that a lot of my motivation comes from emotion. I can't know this for sure but I believe that if we were 100% emotionless we would also be lacking motivation to do anything and that would be even more crippling.


That emptiness is exactly what it feel like when I'm depressed. wiki link <-click me lol


A big feature of my depression was a complete lack of desire to do anything, because nothing had meaning any more.


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06 May 2013, 4:32 am

First of all, Vulcans are not emotionless. On the contrary, they killed each other in the past so much that they invented this purification-thing, where they loose all emotions. But young Vulcans have emotions, even stronger than humans. But I m not a Trekkie...

Anyway, am I a very emotional person?

I could take a very emotional person and a very un-emotional one and then place myself somewhere along the line between them. The dilemma is that I am not objective enough to do that. Could anybody ever be that objective. I often see myself as a very logical person, but to be honest I doubt that I am any millimeter more objective than any NT.

You can barely be objective, if you are part of the observed system (= Physics).
You cannot be objective at all, if you are the object that is to be studied.



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06 May 2013, 12:08 pm

Its interesting that all the major races in star trek have certain clinical traits.

Vulcans are more or less aspies

Klinglons have borderline personality traits.

Cardaisians are paranoid sociopaths.

Romulans are generall emotional cold like aspies, with a strong element of narcissism.

Betazoids are very emotionally sensitive.



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06 May 2013, 12:14 pm

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I think Spock appeals to a lot of aspies. I know I did and I guess still do find that type of pragmatism appealing. But I wouldn't say I want to have no emotions, but rather to not let them get the better of me. I think it really boils down to desiring to have a disciplined mindset. To be cool clam collected and on top of things. And to be able to dismiss things that aren't essential, practical or logical. To be able to let those things roll off you like water rolls off a duck's back. Any character who was an outsider, but had the ability to maintain a sense of complete discipline and composure were the ones I was the most drawn to as a child.

Cain in the TV show Kung Fu was another one of these. Kung Fu is a good show to watch as pretty much every episode is about a person who is viewed by everyone around him as an outcast, who treat him poorly and how he always deals with this in a clam disciplined graceful manner. He never loses his cool

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07 May 2013, 12:48 am

When Spock underwent the Kohlinar ceremony at the beginning of Star Trek: the Motion Picture, he failed to complete it because he could not bring himself to purge all emotion. After mind-melding with V'ger, a being of pure machine logic, he realized that pure logic was insufficient - that for a full life, emotions were necessary as well.

Diane Duane's novels posit that Surak's original teachings had to do not with complete suppression of emotion, but with what he called "passion's mastery" - making the individual's passions subservient to their minds, rather than vice versa - and that it was later generations of Vulcans who changed the interpretation, as tends to happen over time.

It's quite possible that the creativity required for intelligence is inextricably interlinked with the uncertainty of emotion.


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06 Apr 2016, 11:10 am

Emotion is a waste of thought to me we should make a society of people like us. If everyone was like us there would be no wars or other wasteful problems.



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06 Apr 2016, 12:19 pm

That would be very hard for me to do.


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06 Apr 2016, 7:58 pm

While I do think logically, by default it seems. Those pesky emotions do still get in the way so I don't always come off as being quite as logical in the end.


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06 Apr 2016, 8:28 pm

In the original series I was on the Spock side.
Logical and like Robert Bruce Banner, you don't want to get him angry.
I did enjoy the episide that showed "both sides" are needed when Kirk was split.

The whole series seemed like morality tales in space.


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06 Apr 2016, 8:47 pm

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Does anyone else here want to run almost totally on pure logic? And not involve emotions in their thought processes? I want to delete most of my emotions as they get in the way of logical thinking.


Do you wish to delete curiosity and a sense of humor?


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06 Apr 2016, 8:52 pm

I have wanted a copy of this book for a long time:

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/A_Ca ... ic_Thought

(Perhaps the reason I can't find it is that I'm the one who's supposed to write it. :lol:


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07 Apr 2016, 4:16 pm

SteelMaiden wrote:
Does anyone else here want to run almost totally on pure logic? And not involve emotions in their thought processes? I want to delete most of my emotions as they get in the way of logical thinking.


In the fictional Star Trek universe, Vulcans have not deleted their emotions. They still have them, absolutely. What they do is control them, aiming for the mind, the intellect...the LOGIC...to rule over the emotions and control them, supress them.

They view emotions (and displays of such) as unacceptable. Sort of like urinating in public. You MIGHT see a child do it, if the child is in need of better training, but NOT an adult.

They take it so seriously that if someone ever slips and has, to any degree, a display of emotion, they're to turn to the oldest person present and say "I beg forgiveness".

I've been fascinated by Mr. Spock and his people since I was a kid. To function and survive I likely tried to behave like him and always be on guard, always control myself. (Guess I'd already figured out I was "different" and was going to need a lot of self-control in order to survive.) A friend tells me that when he first met me (we were much younger) I had 'all the social skills of Mr Spock'.

A few months ago I gave that friend a digital picture of Mr. Spock to install on his phone for when I call. Now, when I phone him, Mr. Spock's picture appears on the phone's screen.

My advice? Control yourself, to be sure, using what you've learned as to what NTs expect and what they don't like, but don't divorce yourself from your emotions. Just don't let them rule you.

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07 Apr 2016, 4:20 pm

Stoek wrote:
Its interesting that all the major races in star trek have certain clinical traits.

Vulcans are more or less aspies...

Betazoids are very emotionally sensitive.


Betazoids are telepaths. Only a half-breed (human/Betazoid), like Troi, was usually limited to empathic sensing. She could also achieve telepathy with certain people. Other Betazoids, for sure, and also (not surprisingly) Will Riker.


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07 Apr 2016, 4:39 pm

I don't want to be completely emotionless, as that would take all the joy out of life. But I would like to have better control over my emotions.



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07 Apr 2016, 7:23 pm

In terms of no emotion...

I think distancing oneself too far from emotion has the potential for some pretty nasty behaviours.

Disabled people unable to contribute to society? Without emotion, surely the logic would be to remove them. Or anyone else who bring more of a burden than they make up for. That's just one example of what might happen.

I certainly would find that kind of behaviour abhorrent.

In terms of Vulcans...

I can see why people like to link them to (primarily aspergian) autistics, but honestly, as much as I value logic and science, I could not live as a Vulcan. I value compassion way too much (even if I am abysmal at showing it) and I feel that keeping one's emotion under too much check can hamper creativity and entertainment.

Do I see Vulcan society as perfect? No. It seems kinda... stagnant. Closed-minded. Anti-freedom. Three traits I kinda abhor.

I consider myself Neutral-Good on the alignment scale, and find the Lawful-Neutral/True-Neutral tendancies of the Vulcans morally dubious.


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07 Apr 2016, 11:42 pm

This may not be a popular opinion here, but I love my emotions for the most part. Some conjecture that aspies have more profound emotions than NT's seems to be correct from my perspective, but of course no one will really know. I love to feel the sheer joy of doing something I love, looking forward to something good that will happen, and finding a deep connection with, in some cases, even the most mundane of things. I probably sound like a lunatic, but this is probably the best place to voice my experiences.


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