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12 May 2013, 10:26 pm

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I don't experience emotions as physical sensations. I don't get "butterflies in my stomach" or other such things. I do have emotions but they are more of a state of mind. I don't show much emotion and tend to offer practical solutions instead of comforting. I understand other people's emotions but I can't feel what they are feeling and I don't know how to react to their emotions.


I think this is similar to the unemotionalness that I am talking about, like much less emotions by default for normal self.

In an article about intense world, someone said that they felt people's emotions intensely when they walked into a room, and I don't identify with that at all, but many other autistic people say that they feel the same thing and really identify with emotional aspects of intense world.

Now I remember that hyperemotional was also called hyperempathic.


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12 May 2013, 11:33 pm

When I walk into a room full of people I don't feel people's emotions intensely but I am intensely aware that I don't know what they are feeling and I am alienated and everyone seems strange and I don't know how to act or get along with people.



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13 May 2013, 11:17 am

The root of the word feeling is to be conscious of a sensation. A feeling is something felt. Thus I’d say you all have feelings of some sort. Emotion on the other hand is etymologically linked to the verb move. And truly as movement I perceive emotions. They are not separable entities like love, hate or happiness each glued to certain people, things or events, but rather a constant movement - flow in which I perceive myself and my relation to all.

Conceptualization has fragmented our perception in such way that instead of feeling this constant inseparable flow of being, we perceive concepts we learned to name. I can’t tell what I feel, for a feeling exists only as something I feel. Right now I am listening to music, stimming in between and feeling like… well, like you do in a magic kingdom of magic. There are no words for it in the conceptual catalogue of words.

I personally think I feel this aforedescribed emotional flow very intensely, but I probably have less “social emotions”. For example when I hear people talking about “romantic love” it sounds like something I’ve never felt. Also things like grouping and alliances, sensing power and position require certain social emotions, that I at least in intensity miss.

In the intense world theory you mentioned, btbnnyr, I think they postulated that hyper-emotionality in autism could be linked to hyper-functionality in amygdala and/or other emotion related brain areas. They also hypothesized the diversity within the spectrum as the result of different brain areas being exposed.



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13 May 2013, 12:09 pm

I have emotions, just much fewer than most people around me. My mother didn't know why I didn't appear to have emotions in childhood, and she calls me No Reaction. I don't really understand statements like "I'm upset" in response to event in daily life, so while I have emotions that I can feel, I don't have or feel them as often as others, who seem very connected to their emotions at all times. I should add that I rarely feel hungry or thirsty either, so perhaps that is related to this too.


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13 May 2013, 1:18 pm

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I have emotions, just much fewer than most people around me. My mother didn't know why I didn't appear to have emotions in childhood, and she calls me No Reaction. I don't really understand statements like "I'm upset" in response to event in daily life, so while I have emotions that I can feel, I don't have or feel them as often as others, who seem very connected to their emotions at all times. I should add that I rarely feel hungry or thirsty either, so perhaps that is related to this too.


Your description of your mother’s puzzlement regarding your emotions sounds familiar – although my mother has been a bit more euphemistic about it :). Even I myself can see what my mother means, when I compare my childhood photos to photos taken e.g. of my siblings and cousins at the same age. I look aloof, distant and “blank”. I don’t smile or show affective emotions like kids typically do when their photo is being taken and/or people emotionally engage them.

But then on the other hand I am sure I didn’t lack emotions per se. What I lacked as a child, and still to some extent do, was the typical affective response and interactive emotionality.

I also often forget to eat and drink, but I don't know if it is related.



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13 May 2013, 1:25 pm

Many emotions are foreign to me, such as the "rush of joy" people experience when viewing a sunset, or the spontaneous shiver someone might feel when another person relates their personal experience. I have no passion and cannot get excited about anything. Yet, I can feel the full spectrum of negative emotion.



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13 May 2013, 1:37 pm

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Many emotions are foreign to me, such as the "rush of joy" people experience when viewing a sunset, or the spontaneous shiver someone might feel when another person relates their personal experience. I have no passion and cannot get excited about anything. Yet, I can feel the full spectrum of negative emotion.


I'm not sure if this is the same thing but one time we were out at night and someone made some comment like "doesn't looking up at the stars make you feel insignificant?" I said "no" and my friends laughed.

I think there are things I don't feel that other people feel and things that make me feel things that other people don't feel.

I'm not too good at explaining my feelings.



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13 May 2013, 1:51 pm

I've been told I'm overly emotional, and I can run a little extreme sometimes (hot headed). I have a hard time with identifying complex emotions, but they're there. I felt guilty when my grandfather died, and I just felt blank at the news. I cried at his funeral, but still felt separate from it.



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13 May 2013, 3:18 pm

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I don't understand what it means to have emotions that are not felt. That sounds the same as not having the emotions. I don't think that I have a bunch of emotions that I can't feel.


Coming back to this, I have a question:

Do you ever have the experience of feeling nothing, and then suddenly being overwhelmed by a specific emotion? Like anger or frustration, possibly in response to what seems like it would be a minor thing?



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13 May 2013, 3:46 pm

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I don't understand what it means to have emotions that are not felt. That sounds the same as not having the emotions. I don't think that I have a bunch of emotions that I can't feel.


Coming back to this, I have a question:

Do you ever have the experience of feeling nothing, and then suddenly being overwhelmed by a specific emotion? Like anger or frustration, possibly in response to what seems like it would be a minor thing?


No, I have never had this, and I had never thought of this. What is it? Is there a term?


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13 May 2013, 4:08 pm

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btbnnyr wrote:
I don't understand what it means to have emotions that are not felt. That sounds the same as not having the emotions. I don't think that I have a bunch of emotions that I can't feel.


Coming back to this, I have a question:

Do you ever have the experience of feeling nothing, and then suddenly being overwhelmed by a specific emotion? Like anger or frustration, possibly in response to what seems like it would be a minor thing?


No, I have never had this, and I had never thought of this. What is it? Is there a term?


I am not sure. It's what happens when I have a meltdown.



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13 May 2013, 7:16 pm

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tjr1243 wrote:
Many emotions are foreign to me, such as the "rush of joy" people experience when viewing a sunset, or the spontaneous shiver someone might feel when another person relates their personal experience. I have no passion and cannot get excited about anything. Yet, I can feel the full spectrum of negative emotion.


I'm not sure if this is the same thing but one time we were out at night and someone made some comment like "doesn't looking up at the stars make you feel insignificant?" I said "no" and my friends laughed.

I think there are things I don't feel that other people feel and things that make me feel things that other people don't feel.

I'm not too good at explaining my feelings.



I don't get that either. why do people say that things like sunsets and looking at the stars make them feel small and insignificant? It makes me feel bigger and more significant.



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13 May 2013, 7:30 pm

So the name for that is flattened/blunted affect (compared to NTs) and it's really common for schizoids, schizophrenics and autistics. There's a difference between those not having emotions and those who have emotions and don't show them (in the same way as NTs) but they don't have different names for some inexplicable reason. :huh: The name is too simplistic as it calling several things that might present externally similar for one name and offering the same solution and explanation for all and not caring whether it's healthy or unhealthy in the name of making everyone "normal"...
So with that disclaimer; this info might help some:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blunted_affect wrote:
The study also reported a "dissociation between reported experience of emotion and its display" – supporting the suggestion made elsewhere that "blunted affect, including flattened facial expressiveness and lack of vocal inflection ... often disguises an individual's true feelings." Thus, feelings may merely be unexpressed, rather than totally lacking. On the other hand, "a lack of emotions which is due not to mere repression but to a real loss of contact with the objective world gives the observer a specific impression of 'queerness' ... the remainders of emotions or the substitutes for emotions usually refer to rage and aggressiveness". In the most extreme cases, there is a complete "dissociation from affective states" on the part of the patient: "not only has he hacked his intellect away from his feelings, but he has smashed his feelings and his capacity for judgment into smithereens".


Also lacking positive emotions is called depression or PTSD. Not being able to take pleasure in things is called anhedonia. Not being able to name, recognize or describe own feelings is called alexithymia. I'm only giving the names so anyone that think they might be experiencing any of that can look it up for themselves.



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13 May 2013, 7:52 pm

Marybird wrote:
hanyo wrote:
tjr1243 wrote:
Many emotions are foreign to me, such as the "rush of joy" people experience when viewing a sunset, or the spontaneous shiver someone might feel when another person relates their personal experience. I have no passion and cannot get excited about anything. Yet, I can feel the full spectrum of negative emotion.


I'm not sure if this is the same thing but one time we were out at night and someone made some comment like "doesn't looking up at the stars make you feel insignificant?" I said "no" and my friends laughed.

I think there are things I don't feel that other people feel and things that make me feel things that other people don't feel.

I'm not too good at explaining my feelings.



I don't get that either. why do people say that things like sunsets and looking at the stars make them feel small and insignificant? It makes me feel bigger and more significant.


It makes me feel awe :heart: It's too bad religion has stolen the language of awe.
It should make everyone feel more significant:
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13 May 2013, 8:35 pm

I think I was born hypoemotional and hyposensitive to social stimuli. This is probably why unlike many other autistic people, I don't feel uncomfortable when I am looking at people's eyes. I don't feel anything like other people describe, like lasers from eyes or invasive eye contact or bad feelings during eye contact. The reason why I don't make NT eye contact is because eyes are only a small part of the possibility space of things my eyes could look at, so in the absence of the attraction to the eyes like NTs have (I call this the social field like electric field), my looking is more spread out over many things in addition to eyes.


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13 May 2013, 10:04 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
I think I was born hypoemotional and hyposensitive to social stimuli. This is probably why unlike many other autistic people, I don't feel uncomfortable when I am looking at people's eyes. I don't feel anything like other people describe, like lasers from eyes or invasive eye contact or bad feelings during eye contact. The reason why I don't make NT eye contact is because eyes are only a small part of the possibility space of things my eyes could look at, so in the absence of the attraction to the eyes like NTs have (I call this the social field like electric field), my looking is more spread out over many things in addition to eyes.


Then you probably were born like that. There are those born like that and those that become like that and both those can be healthy or unhealthy ways of being. Though numbness is a part of the freeze of the fight/flight/freeze-response and you can get stuck like that.