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27 May 2013, 3:00 pm

Yes, I'd like to know why this is being introduced as something that sounds like an aspie test. It is clearly not. Nambo, I think it would be nice if you'd share the big secret of what this test is and why you haven't told us what it is yet, and why you introduced it to make it sound like an aspie test. Seems to me like it has nothing whatsoever to do with AS.

I didn't know anything about "indigo children" until it was mentioned in this thread, but I just did a quick Wikipedia check and the idea sounds horrifying to me. The description of an "indigo child" is almost identical to a schizophrenic with religious delusions. It seems that the label you receive depends entirely on who is deciding and whether they believe in supernatural and paranormal phenomena. I can't imagine how much I would have suffered if instead of being told I had a neurological condition that would be difficult at times but could be manageable with some effort, I had been told that I was a "special" child with extra gifts. It would have made me ashamed of my suffering instead of being able to deal with it, and god knows the damage I might have done by mistakenly thinking I had some purpose or power projected onto me by people who wanted me to be "special."

I dated a schizophrenic man whose symptoms included religious/supernatural delusions and I can assure everyone that there is nothing glamorous about it. He felt that he had the power and obligation to "help" everyone in his life who needed it, and when he inevitably realized that he couldn't do all of the things he promised everyone, he simply abandoned all the people who had been leaning on him and counting on his help and support, without even saying goodbye.



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27 May 2013, 3:45 pm

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Hysterical personality syndrome/histrionic personality test?

The mention of Aspergers + test in the first line - is that meant to deliberately mislead people to think it is a type of Aspergers test?


Then are you saying I'm hysterical/histrionic because I answered "yes" to a lot of those questions? :?



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27 May 2013, 4:25 pm

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This is quite unlike most of the tests for Aspergers I have come across. The questions are looking for a positive answer to see if you qualify.


Interesting set of questions. When I glanced through the questions the first time, I answered "Yes" to most items. Then, I re-read the questions more closely. I noticed that some of the questions contained multiple parts – where I would answer “Yes” to one part of the question and “Sort of”, “Sometimes”, or “Not Really” to the other part.

The only ones I answered “Absolutely Yes” to were:

* Always need to know WHY, especially why they are being asked to do something.
* May have experienced early existential depression and feelings of helplessness. These may have ranged from sadness to utter despair. Suicidal feelings while still in high school or younger are not uncommon.
* Prefer leadership positions or working alone to team positions.
* Have a burning desire to do something to change and improve the world. May be stymied what to do. May have trouble identifying their path.
* When they find balance they may become very strong, healthy, happy individuals.

I, too, am curious about the source.



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27 May 2013, 4:35 pm

kotshka wrote:
Yes, I'd like to know why this is being introduced as something that sounds like an aspie test. It is clearly not. Nambo, I think it would be nice if you'd share the big secret of what this test is and why you haven't told us what it is yet, and why you introduced it to make it sound like an aspie test. Seems to me like it has nothing whatsoever to do with AS.

I didn't know anything about "indigo children" until it was mentioned in this thread, but I just did a quick Wikipedia check and the idea sounds horrifying to me. The description of an "indigo child" is almost identical to a schizophrenic with religious delusions. It seems that the label you receive depends entirely on who is deciding and whether they believe in supernatural and paranormal phenomena. I can't imagine how much I would have suffered if instead of being told I had a neurological condition that would be difficult at times but could be manageable with some effort, I had been told that I was a "special" child with extra gifts. It would have made me ashamed of my suffering instead of being able to deal with it, and god knows the damage I might have done by mistakenly thinking I had some purpose or power projected onto me by people who wanted me to be "special."



Yes indeed, the test comes from here:- TEST
I did say it wasn't like an Aspie test, but did want to see the results if people thought it was, that is why I have kept it a secret during the day, otherwise either people wouldn't have bothered to take it, or answered differently.

So, seeing how well a lot of us have done in the test, does that mean we are "Star Children", or Indigo children?, some master race with a special destiny?
I think not, I think more likely a lot of children with Aspergers have New Age parents who came across such an explanation for the idiosyncrasies of their children and have latched on to the far more romantic notion that their children are special, rather than Autistic.

I wonder what the effect on the children will be if they are lead to believe such, I agree with you Kotshka that it wont be good.

Can you see why I presented the test in this way?, to show how easy it would be for somebody with Aspergers to be lead to believe in something quite bizarre and unhelpful.

I have to say I was going to leave out the electrical question, but thought that would be cheating, Iam surprised at the amount of people with Aspergers that do have this, I belive it is generally more common in Women, there is a sub-culture of people who claim to have this effect on street lights and call themselves "Sliders".



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27 May 2013, 5:09 pm

no to most questions.



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27 May 2013, 5:18 pm

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* Are intelligent, though may not have had top grades.


Yeah, IQ 137 but barely passing many of my classes.

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* Are very creative and enjoy making things.


I'm an aspiring author. Does that count as 'making thing'? I know it counts as creative.

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* Always need to know WHY, especially why they are being asked to do something.


Definitely. If you can't give me a good explanation of why I need to do it, I assume you have no good reason to ask me to do it.

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* Had disgust and perhaps loathing for much of the required and repetitious work in school.


Loathing? Yes. Disgust? No.

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* Were rebellious in school in that they refused to do homework and rejected authority of teachers, OR seriously wanted to rebel, but didn't DARE, usually due to parental pressure.


I was rebellious. If my teachers had just listened to my parents' advice, though, I'd have been fine. All I needed was clear explanations of why the rules were in place and a willingness to bend them if the spirit of the rule was still being followed.

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* May have experienced early existential depression and feelings of helplessness. These may have ranged from sadness to utter despair. Suicidal feelings while still in high school or younger are not uncommon .


Not 'existential' depression (I've never seen the point in wondering about the meaning of life) but I did have PTSD and that caused a lot of depression directly linked to how awful my life was at times.

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* Have difficulty in service-oriented jobs. resist authority and caste system of employment.


Probably, though I haven't really done any service jobs.

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* Prefer leadership positions or working alone to team positions.


I don't like being in charge. I prefer working alone.

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* Have deep empathy for others, yet an intolerance of stupidity.


I'm fine with true stupidity. What bothers me is an unwillingness to use the intelligence they do have, or accept that I might be smarter than them.

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* May be extremely emotionally sensitive including crying at the drop of a hat (no shielding) Or may be the opposite and show no expression of emotion (full shielding).


Extremely sensitive.

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* May have trouble with RAGE.


Sort of. I have outbursts that look like rage on the outside, but I'm not feeling angry - I'm feeling terrified, hurt, and/or seriously depressed.

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* Have trouble with systems they consider broken or ineffective, ie. political, educational, medical, and legal.


Yep.

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* Alienation from or anger with politics - feeling your voice won't count and/or that the outcome really doesn't mattter.


Not really.

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* Frustration with or rejection of the traditional American dream - 9-5 career, marriage, 2.5 children, house with white picket fence, etc.


I don't think I've really rejected it. It won't work for me, because of the way I'm wired (eg being asexual and having inconsistent abilities). But if it was an option for me I'd be fine with it. I'd do my own quirky version of it, but I would marry, have kids and have a 9-5 career if that seemed like it would work out for me.

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* Anger at rights being taken away, fear and/or fury at "Big Brother watching you."


More fear than anger. Plus, I get annoyed at people being so paranoid about that sort of thing that they interfere with government actually helping people. Some people don't understand the whole point of government. It's supposed to be a safety net so those who can't take care of themselves get taken care of by society. Otherwise what's the point, we may as well live in anarchy. (Which would not be pleasant - anarchy means the big bullies have no one to hold them back.)

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* Have a burning desire to do something to change and improve the world. May be stymied what to do. May have trouble identifying their path.


I do want to change the world. Never had any trouble identifying how I want to change it, just issues figuring out what I could do to work towards that goal.

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* Have psychic or spiritual interest appear fairly young - in or before teen years.


Does becoming an atheist at 8 years old count, or is that the opposite?

I've always liked sci-fi and fantasy, too.

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* Have strong intuition.


Intuition is just stuff you think you know without being aware how you know it. I don't see why people think it's so great, it's actually more fallible than conscious logical reasoning. Most of my 'intuition' seems to be PTSD triggers.

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* Random behavior pattern or mind style - (symptoms of Attention Deficit Disorder). May have trouble focusing on assigned tasks, may jump around in conversations.


Sort of, though I don't meet criteria for ADD. I have a long attention span and difficulty shifting attention, but I am tangential.

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* Have had psychic experiences, such as premonitions, seeing angels or ghosts, out of body experiences, hearing voices.


No, I am not psychotic. Never have been.

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* May be electrically sensitive such as watches not working and street lights going out as you move under them, electrical equipment malfunctioning and lights blowing out.


No.

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* May have awareness of other dimensions and parallel realities.


Again, not psychotic, so no.

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* Sexually are very expressive and inventive OR may reject sexuality in boredom or with intention of achieving higher spiritual connection. May explore alternative types of sexuality.


I haven't rejected sexuality, I just don't have any.

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* Seek meaning to their life and understanding about the world May seek this through religion or spirituality, spiritual groups and books, self-help groups and books.


Understanding about the world, yes. Don't see much point in wondering what the meaning of life is, though, because there is none. That presupposes someone intended for our species to come into being, and I see no evidence for that.

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* When they find balance they may become very strong, healthy, happy individuals.


I hope so, but I don't know.



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27 May 2013, 5:22 pm

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I have to say I was going to leave out the electrical question, but thought that would be cheating, Iam surprised at the amount of people with Aspergers that do have this, I belive it is generally more common in Women, there is a sub-culture of people who claim to have this effect on street lights and call themselves "Sliders".


Some people seem to generate more static electricity than usual. No idea what causes this, but there are a lot simpler explanations than supernatural powers.



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27 May 2013, 5:27 pm

That's a good site Nambo, I just found out that I'm also a direct alien descendant due to my blood type. :lol: Cool.



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27 May 2013, 8:40 pm

* Are intelligent, though may not have had top grades.
Yes to both. Have a high IQ, but not necessarily good at certain classes.

* Are very creative and enjoy making things.
Yep. I have always been artistically inclined and can do photorealistic drawings and paintings, and also do taxidermy.

* Always need to know WHY, especially why they are being asked to do something.
Somewhat. I want to know the reason, but don't necessarily ask "why" out loud...

* Had disgust and perhaps loathing for much of the required and repetitious work in school.
Somewhat.

* Were rebellious in school in that they refused to do homework and rejected authority of teachers, OR seriously wanted to rebel, but didn't DARE, usually due to parental pressure.
Definitely a rebel in school...

* May have experienced early existential depression and feelings of helplessness. These may have ranged from sadness to utter despair. Suicidal feelings while still in high school or younger are not uncommon .
Severe depression from junior high to high school...recurring depression in my adult life.

* Have difficulty in service-oriented jobs. resist authority and caste system of employment.
Absolutely. I love my jobs as a vet assistant, and artist.

* Prefer leadership positions or working alone to team positions.
really prefer to work alone, but if I have to be in a team definitely leader.

* Have deep empathy for others, yet an intolerance of stupidity.
I can't say I have any sort of empathy for people I don't know/care about, and definitely intolerant of stupidity.

* May be extremely emotionally sensitive including crying at the drop of a hat (no shielding) Or may be the opposite and show no expression of emotion (full shielding).
Either one, depending on the situation

* May have trouble with RAGE.
Unfortunately true.

* Have trouble with systems they consider broken or ineffective, ie. political, educational, medical, and legal.
True.

* Alienation from or anger with politics - feeling your voice won't count and/or that the outcome really doesn't mattter.
True.

* Frustration with or rejection of the traditional American dream - 9-5 career, marriage, 2.5 children, house with white picket fence, etc.
For the most part true. I don't want a career, kids, or suburban lifestyle. I am married though, but not with a "traditional" spouce (my husband is much older than me)

* Anger at rights being taken away, fear and/or fury at "Big Brother watching you." Yes

* Have a burning desire to do something to change and improve the world. May be stymied what to do. May have trouble identifying their path.
Don't have any particular interest in the outside world, just the small bubble I live in :D

* Have psychic or spiritual interest appear fairly young - in or before teen years.
Yes, somewhat.

* Have strong intuition.
Yes

* Random behavior pattern or mind style - (symptoms of Attention Deficit Disorder). May have trouble focusing on assigned tasks, may jump around in conversations.

Yes, sometimes

* Have had psychic experiences, such as premonitions, seeing angels or ghosts, out of body experiences, hearing voices.
Hmm...had lots of hallucinations when younger, if that counts.

* May be electrically sensitive such as watches not working and street lights going out as you move under them, electrical equipment malfunctioning and lights blowing out.
No to this one.

* May have awareness of other dimensions and parallel realities.
No

* Sexually are very expressive and inventive OR may reject sexuality in boredom or with intention of achieving higher spiritual connection. May explore alternative types of sexuality.
Have never had any interest in sex, no desire.

* Seek meaning to their life and understanding about the world May seek this through religion or spirituality, spiritual groups and books, self-help groups and books. No not really

* When they find balance they may become very strong, healthy, happy individuals.
YES



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28 May 2013, 12:34 am

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I have to say I was going to leave out the electrical question, but thought that would be cheating, Iam surprised at the amount of people with Aspergers that do have this, I belive it is generally more common in Women, there is a sub-culture of people who claim to have this effect on street lights and call themselves "Sliders".


Some people seem to generate more static electricity than usual. No idea what causes this, but there are a lot simpler explanations than supernatural powers.


Perceiving that you affect electronics is not the same as actually affecting electronics. This idea works the same way horoscopes do. Confirmation bias. Try this little experiment: the next time you see an electronic device fail or a traffic light turn red with someone nearby, look amazed and tell that person you've noticed that these things *always* seem to happen around them. More than likely, they will agree with you and now they will start thinking about it. A week or so later, ask them if it has happened again in the past week. Most likely they will have noticed an incredible number of traffic lights turning red for them, street lights flickering or turning off, computer anomalies, etc.

Do be warned, however, that if you tell someone this, they will almost certainly believe it for the rest of their lives, and you will have to hear about it forever even if you tell them you were just messing with them.



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28 May 2013, 1:12 am

The test isn't numbered. Plus, there's no pay-off at the end.

Btw, "Are intelligent, though may not have had top grades." Who answers no to that one?


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28 May 2013, 1:28 am

kotshka wrote:
Ettina wrote:
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I have to say I was going to leave out the electrical question, but thought that would be cheating, Iam surprised at the amount of people with Aspergers that do have this, I belive it is generally more common in Women, there is a sub-culture of people who claim to have this effect on street lights and call themselves "Sliders".


Some people seem to generate more static electricity than usual. No idea what causes this, but there are a lot simpler explanations than supernatural powers.


Perceiving that you affect electronics is not the same as actually affecting electronics. This idea works the same way horoscopes do. Confirmation bias. Try this little experiment: the next time you see an electronic device fail or a traffic light turn red with someone nearby, look amazed and tell that person you've noticed that these things *always* seem to happen around them. More than likely, they will agree with you and now they will start thinking about it. A week or so later, ask them if it has happened again in the past week. Most likely they will have noticed an incredible number of traffic lights turning red for them, street lights flickering or turning off, computer anomalies, etc.

Do be warned, however, that if you tell someone this, they will almost certainly believe it for the rest of their lives, and you will have to hear about it forever even if you tell them you were just messing with them.


That will only work if the person is receptive to the idea or gullible. Horoscopes work for people the same way faith in religion does, a concept of higher being and sense of purpose.



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28 May 2013, 1:30 am

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The test isn't numbered. Plus, there's no pay-off at the end.

Btw, "Are intelligent, though may not have had top grades." Who answers no to that one?


No thickos allowed in the indigo culture.



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29 May 2013, 8:35 pm

* Are intelligent, though may not have had top grades. yes

* Are very creative and enjoy making things. yes

* Always need to know WHY, especially why they are being asked to do something. yes

* Had disgust and perhaps loathing for much of the required and repetitious work in school. yes

* Were rebellious in school in that they refused to do homework and rejected authority of teachers, OR seriously wanted to rebel, but didn't DARE, usually due to parental pressure. yes

* May have experienced early existential depression and feelings of helplessness. These may have ranged from sadness to utter despair. Suicidal feelings while still in high school or younger are not uncommon . yes

* Have difficulty in service-oriented jobs. resist authority and caste system of employment. no

* Prefer leadership positions or working alone to team positions. yes

* Have deep empathy for others, yet an intolerance of stupidity. yes

* May be extremely emotionally sensitive including crying at the drop of a hat (no shielding) Or may be the opposite and show no expression of emotion (full shielding). kinda...

* May have trouble with RAGE. no

* Have trouble with systems they consider broken or ineffective, ie. political, educational, medical, and legal. yes

* Alienation from or anger with politics - feeling your voice won't count and/or that the outcome really doesn't matter. yes

* Frustration with or rejection of the traditional American dream - 9-5 career, marriage, 2.5 children, house with white picket fence, etc. yes

* Anger at rights being taken away, fear and/or fury at "Big Brother watching you." yes

* Have a burning desire to do something to change and improve the world. May be stymied what to do. May have trouble identifying their path. yes

* Have psychic or spiritual interest appear fairly young - in or before teen years. no

* Have strong intuition. * Random behavior pattern or mind style - (symptoms of Attention Deficit Disorder). May have trouble focusing on assigned tasks, may jump around in conversations. yes

* Have had psychic experiences, such as premonitions, seeing angels or ghosts, out of body experiences, hearing voices. no

* May be electrically sensitive such as watches not working and street lights going out as you move under them, electrical equipment malfunctioning and lights blowing out. no

* May have awareness of other dimensions and parallel realities. no

* Sexually are very expressive and inventive OR may reject sexuality in boredom or with intention of achieving higher spiritual connection. May explore alternative types of sexuality. yes

* Seek meaning to their life and understanding about the world May seek this through religion or spirituality, spiritual groups and books, self-help groups and books. yes

* When they find balance they may become very strong, healthy, happy individuals. yes


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29 May 2013, 9:53 pm

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Btw, "Are intelligent, though may not have had top grades." Who answers no to that one?


I answered "no" to this one. Unfortunately, the wording of this test is a bit flawed. It requires me to define several terms.
- First, what is “intelligent”? I used top 1% in IQ as my barometer (which is IQ of 135). Unfortunately, I am not there.
- Second, what are “top grades”? Back in my day, I considered anything ~ 3.75 or higher as “top grades”. These days, with grade inflation, it is pretty common to see higher GPAs. Anyhow, I was not there either.

Now, I could redefine these terms to get a different answer. This is one of the reasons these tests can be so annoying.



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30 May 2013, 2:17 am

I recognised the test as soon as it started talking about "psychic abilities"; indigo children was a minor special interest of mine at one point. Even after all my study, I'm not 100% sure whether I believe in them or not; I've seen videos about children who seemed to know things they shouldn't have done, which is definitely interesting and inexplicable, but I don't buy into the whole "past lives" or "in touch with God" stuff (mostly because I don't believe in God). Most of it feels too namby pamby and unscientific to me. I had a shrink once who bought into that stuff. Needless to say I didn't stick with her very long. I'll be more than happy to accept the indigo child theory when people can provide some real, hard scientific evidence for the existence of past lives, different universal planes of exsistence, and God.


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