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29 May 2013, 4:26 pm

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Actually, they aren't separating Asperger's from autism. They're getting rid of the term "Asperger's Syndrome" and saying most cases are autism while some may be something else.

Right. All the signs of high functioning autism except for language delay/loss, and some aren't autistic.

Right.


If you have all the signs of HFA except language delay, you will meet DSM-V criteria for autism. I mean, even I meet those criteria, and I wasn't severe enough for DSM-IV Asperger's Syndrome.



The key concern was that it'd been said some Aspies could end up being told "You're not autistic" despite their symptoms remaining the same.


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29 May 2013, 4:28 pm

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Some 25 countries use ICD-10 for reimbursement and resource allocation in their health system. ICD has been translated into 42 languages.

From ICD-10
F84.5 Asperger's syndrome
A disorder of uncertain nosological validity, characterized by the same kind of qualitative abnormalities of reciprocal social interaction that typify autism, together with a restricted, stereotyped, repetitive repertoire of interests and activities.

It would seem that only DSM-V is eliminating the Asperger's term. Internationally, the term remains.


It seems AS will soon be eliminated in the ICD too. Right now, the ICD-11 is in development and its current draft turns Asperger's Syndrome into "social reciprocity disorder".

So far, it's description hints at that the "new" disorder is characterised by a purely social impairment (an impairment of social reciprocity) unlike the current diagnosis of Asperger's.



Does that mean, in plain English, "not autistic", or "autistic"?


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30 May 2013, 4:24 pm

Sethno wrote:
Ettina wrote:
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Actually, they aren't separating Asperger's from autism. They're getting rid of the term "Asperger's Syndrome" and saying most cases are autism while some may be something else.

Right. All the signs of high functioning autism except for language delay/loss, and some aren't autistic.

Right.


If you have all the signs of HFA except language delay, you will meet DSM-V criteria for autism. I mean, even I meet those criteria, and I wasn't severe enough for DSM-IV Asperger's Syndrome.



The key concern was that it'd been said some Aspies could end up being told "You're not autistic" despite their symptoms remaining the same.

    This happens all the time anyway.


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31 May 2013, 3:42 am

The point is actually to eliminate the "AS is not autism" and the "AS is just a mild form of autism"

If you meet the criteria - and most people diagnosed with AS or autism will meet the criteria (it will be assumed you do if you have an AS diagnosis already, the changes will only be applied to new diagnoses) - then you will be on the autism spectrum and anyone "on the spectrum" must be considered autistic.

Given that both Kanner and Asperger used the term autistic in their original papers and did so to describe the same features - both of them were trained in the same middle european medical/psychiatry tradition and used some of the same sources to reference their work, it just so happened that Kanner left europe before the war but Asperger didn't - there is no argument that both were talking about autism. Both also included children who would have had both diagnoses in their studies - some of the children Kanner worked with would have been given an AS diagnosis and some of the children Asperger worked with would have been given an autism diagnosis if they had been diagnosed in the last 20 years - it is just an accident of history that separated their work for so many decades; if that had not happened we probably would not be having this discussion all, the two would probably have worked together
and would have realised immediately that they were studying the same thing.