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Would your intellect over rule your intuition?
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NO! 18%  18%  [ 9 ]
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12 Jun 2013, 10:26 pm

Just as an aside, the HAL/IBM thing is not true, unless you're calling Arthur C. Clark a liar when he specifically said it was just a coincidence.


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12 Jun 2013, 11:09 pm

Anomiel wrote:
This is more about how insecure you are - would you accept one persons opinion of you as the correct view of reality? Is it easier to believe negative opinions than positive ones?
Calling someone weird is often not a way to give information ("it is unusual to do that") but used as an insult.
Then the question becomes; Do you view insults as neutral facts instead of thinking about the intent behind it?



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I suppose that total and spontaneous honesty is socially inappropriate. But that makes us better then them :D!


I like honesty. I don't like rudeness, depending on the context - if you're just inappropriate or actually mean to someone.
Not calling you mean, but people often conflate that with "honesty", as if everyone else was thinking the same things but are dishonest liars for being nice. :huh:
But of course people have different definitions of what mean is. Something can be said with good intent, and still be mean. You just have to decide if you're ok with that.
If I told someone I dislike their [whatever], I would be expressing my honest personal opinion, but for the majority that would be viewed as something said with calculated hurtful intent. They automatically think about how the other person would feel if they said something like that to them, so they assume you do too.


Not only that but it's different when someone asks you for your opinion. If they don't ask I don't see how it's dishonest to not say anything. If you say something hurtful out of the blue I can't even see how it can be called honesty. If you're saying those things completely unprovoked it's more than just honesty. It's also being a jackass. If someone asks you for your opinion and they expect you to sugarcoat it I can see it being justified as honesty when you don't. That's understandable in my books. It still hurts feelings and it's not socially acceptable but if I'd give someone the benefit of the doubt if the opinion was asked for. I wouldn't do that for someone who just came out and said something hurtful for no conceivable reason.



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12 Jun 2013, 11:33 pm

seaturtleisland wrote:

Not only that but it's different when someone asks you for your opinion. If they don't ask I don't see how it's dishonest to not say anything. If you say something hurtful out of the blue I can't even see how it can be called honesty. If you're saying those things completely unprovoked it's more than just honesty. It's also being a jackass. If someone asks you for your opinion and they expect you to sugarcoat it I can see it being justified as honesty when you don't. That's understandable in my books. It still hurts feelings and it's not socially acceptable but if I'd give someone the benefit of the doubt if the opinion was asked for. I wouldn't do that for someone who just came out and said something hurtful for no conceivable reason.


That was the point I was making.. I hope that was the collective form of "you". Anyway, yes, I agree. In cases where the opinion is asked for, you don't have to sugarcoat it, but being nice about it is important - that's still honest, because most of us do honestly don't want to distress other people and opinions can be perceived differently than they were intended.



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12 Jun 2013, 11:43 pm

Aspies are supposed to lack empathy and care. Therefore, they should feel little to no worry about the outcome with others because to do so would be illogical.

Yet this post suggests that Aspies care too much about what happens as a result of a social interaction.

Am I missing something here?



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13 Jun 2013, 1:33 am

From the posts at WP it is apparent that asbies care a lot about ostracism. How many threads are there about how to make friends,find a partner etc?


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13 Jun 2013, 1:44 am

MacDragard wrote:
Aspies are supposed to lack empathy and care.

Am I missing something here?


Yes. The current/emerging understanding seems to be that, while Aspies/Auties may not pick up on subtle cues, when they are aware of a traumatic/happy/exciting situation that others are going through, they empathize quite strongly, although they are likely to express that empathy in . . . uh, unexpected ways.



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13 Jun 2013, 7:59 am

another_1 wrote:
MacDragard wrote:
Aspies are supposed to lack empathy and care.

Am I missing something here?


Yes. The current/emerging understanding seems to be that, while Aspies/Auties may not pick up on subtle cues, when they are aware of a traumatic/happy/exciting situation that others are going through, they empathize quite strongly, although they are likely to express that empathy in . . . uh, unexpected ways.


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13 Jun 2013, 12:56 pm

You forget that this is an aspie site, there is a lot of knowledge from personal experience. * Also,just because a university has a site on the internet does not mean that its studies should be dismissed. All universities have sites, are all their studies worthless? Maybe we should no longer have universities?
* For example, I care about my clients and I am an asbie.The asbies I know care more and are more empathic then normals.
PS :Using a photo and caption from the internet is your way of saying dont use information from the internet? :D


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17 Jun 2013, 9:25 pm

wittgenstein wrote:
1401b,
Did you know how HAL got his name? What is the letter right after "H"? "I"?
IBM!
Do you know how Canada got its name? They put all the letters in a hat. The first letter drawn was a "C". Everyone said,"eh?!" Then an "N" was drawn. Everyone said,"eh?!".......
Could be true. :D

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17 Jun 2013, 10:50 pm

wittgenstein wrote:
I do not trust my intuition. I need propositions to be verified by premises articulated by a third party (third person perspective ).
Suppose, a person said,"that was weird what you said " (or did,like sticking your tongue out). However, deep down you know you never did such a thing. Would your intuition be over ruled?
Would you feel paranoid about something that never happened?


Too bad there isn't a "maybe" option because for me it would depend on the situation. In the situation you describe I would have to say no. I have a hard time accepting other peoples point of view so if a person were to contradict what I know (or feel) to be true I would just think they are full of s**t.



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18 Jun 2013, 3:10 am

If it's about whether something you said was "weird" or not, then it's just a matter of opinion and probably no one's right or wrong.

If it's about an objective fact, then I trust myself rather than another person because I'm quite observant and remember things well. If someone says something that totally conflicts with what I clearly remember, then I simply think that another idiot is saying some rubbish. Something like that happens quite often and by now I know many people don't really try to stick to facts. They tend to very confidently say things they are not very sure about. They exaggerate, lie or don't know what they are saying. But of course if I don't remember something clearly, then I can't say that something another person says is rubbish, but I'd still be skeptical.



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18 Jun 2013, 3:49 am

Your response is very intellectual. I also calculate the possibilities that what the person says is correct. I am asking how that makes you feel. Do you obsess with the calculations to make absolutely sure you did not do anything asbie?
Suppose that after a conversation a person asks why did you stick out your tongue at me. You have no memory of doing such a thing. Would you then do a frantic search of your memory banks?


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