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14 Jun 2013, 1:39 pm

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This thread makes no sense at all. There are people who are non verbal and use instant message to communicate. Unless they're actually speaking, (which they generally won't be) they're not being verbal.


I don't consider typing / messaging as a verbal, social activity. It requires thinking, and participating yes.. it replaces social aspects of real life, but in real life somebody like myself wouldn't be talking the way I type. I'm asking if people are like that too, and how they over-come it. I didn't think this thread would be so complicated for people to understand.



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14 Jun 2013, 2:10 pm

Do you not talk much because you are nervous or there is some other factor that's preventing you from talking? I myself do talk but it seems that I'm talking in a weird way because other people often react strangely when I talk. Because of that, I sometimes don't/can't talk, knowing that I would put people off if I did. If that's what you mean, I'm one of you.



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14 Jun 2013, 2:16 pm

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Do you not talk much because you are nervous or there is some other factor that's preventing you from talking? I myself do talk but it seems that I'm talking in a weird way because other people often react strangely when I talk. Because of that, I sometimes don't/can't talk, knowing that I would put people off if I did. If that's what you mean, I'm one of you.


I was always like that and usually verbal cues are to a minimum. Whenever I do speak, I hate it because people will stare at me as it's not expected. I haveto psyche myself up before I go anywhere, and make sure I'm prepared and well versed. Conversations are always kept to a bare minimum, although in my head I think of what to say, most of the time it just doesn't come out. I'd say we're similar maybe.. I used to see a psychologist who over time, I got better with.. but I digressed more , so I'll probably end up starting therapy again.. alot of people I've come to notice in my daily life, don't know what autism is .. they just think I'm weird or that somethings wrong with me.



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14 Jun 2013, 3:12 pm

I think a few of you are missing my point. Texting someone isn't being verbal - only talking to someone is.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines verbal as:
Spoken, rather than written; oral"



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14 Jun 2013, 5:12 pm

I do talk a lot but I don't speak very often.

That's only because when I open my mouth, people talk over me and don't hear me speak (it irritates me) or I speak too fast and no one can understand what I'm saying.

Are you talking about nonverbal as in a nonverbal learning disability?


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14 Jun 2013, 5:48 pm

Raymond_Fawkes wrote:
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Raymond_Fawkes wrote:
Nonverbal meaning, having less than two sufficient conversations a day.. I was wondering if anyone else is like that, and how do you get by?


That's not what nonverbal means.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonverbal_ ... g_disorder

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nonverbal

The second and third definitions.


As someone with nonverbal learning disorder, having it means we have trouble understanding nonverbal language such as facial expressions, voice tone, physical distance, or gestures. We're also very verbal. I don't think you understand what nonverbal means in that context.


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15 Jun 2013, 1:12 am

RaspberryFrosty wrote:
Raymond_Fawkes wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
Raymond_Fawkes wrote:
Nonverbal meaning, having less than two sufficient conversations a day.. I was wondering if anyone else is like that, and how do you get by?


That's not what nonverbal means.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonverbal_ ... g_disorder

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nonverbal

The second and third definitions.


As someone with nonverbal learning disorder, having it means we have trouble understanding nonverbal language such as facial expressions, voice tone, physical distance, or gestures. We're also very verbal. I don't think you understand what nonverbal means in that context.


I do, within that context. I'm not a "mute" - I'm merely nonverbal, perhaps 90+% of the time. Now, you claim to have a nonverbal learning disorder.. are you nonverbal 100% of the time? If not, then why are you commenting? I'm just saying - Being nonverbal doesn't necessarily mean you're a "mute", and don't speak 100% of the time. I've discussed this with a close aspie friend and they agreed that it's almost like people are trying to make it seem worse than it is... but it isn't. Sure - I freeze up alot, and sometimes don't speak at all... and that makes me non-verbal in those circumstances, however I can articulate my wording in proper situations where I feel comfortable and relaxed. I posted the defintiion of what non-verbal is, and it applies. I made this thread as something to perhaps meet someone who mutually understands what I go through, instead I see half the people trying to turn it into a competition into whose more autistic.. ?? lol.



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15 Jun 2013, 2:25 am

I think I understand what Raymond means. I am not mute at all. I can talk normally if the situation is right. But if there is some factor in a situation that makes me nervous, then I can't talk because if I tried to talk, my voice would be too shaky, would sound even odder than usual and would freak people out. I guess my nervousness is interfering with my vocalization/verbalization. I don't know if there is anything deeper than that. I would not speak in a meeting because my vocalization and even my thought process are affected by the situation. Also it's impossible for me to defend myself verbally in a confrontational situation because I can't talk normally in such a situation, and unfortunately I often end up being regarded as being in the wrong. Even when I'm bullied I end up that way all because I can't verbalize my defence.



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15 Jun 2013, 2:34 am

Raymond_Fawkes wrote:
RaspberryFrosty wrote:
Raymond_Fawkes wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
Raymond_Fawkes wrote:
Nonverbal meaning, having less than two sufficient conversations a day.. I was wondering if anyone else is like that, and how do you get by?


That's not what nonverbal means.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonverbal_ ... g_disorder

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nonverbal

The second and third definitions.


As someone with nonverbal learning disorder, having it means we have trouble understanding nonverbal language such as facial expressions, voice tone, physical distance, or gestures. We're also very verbal. I don't think you understand what nonverbal means in that context.


I do, within that context. I'm not a "mute" - I'm merely nonverbal, perhaps 90+% of the time. Now, you claim to have a nonverbal learning disorder.. are you nonverbal 100% of the time? If not, then why are you commenting? I'm just saying - Being nonverbal doesn't necessarily mean you're a "mute", and don't speak 100% of the time. I've discussed this with a close aspie friend and they agreed that it's almost like people are trying to make it seem worse than it is... but it isn't. Sure - I freeze up alot, and sometimes don't speak at all... and that makes me non-verbal in those circumstances, however I can articulate my wording in proper situations where I feel comfortable and relaxed. I posted the defintiion of what non-verbal is, and it applies. I made this thread as something to perhaps meet someone who mutually understands what I go through, instead I see half the people trying to turn it into a competition into whose more autistic.. ?? lol.


Yes I do have a nonverbal learning disorder. You're assuming because I have NLD that I'm nonverbal as in I don't speak. It seems to me that you're having trouble understaning what nonverbal learning disorder is even though I tried to explain it. People with NLD, like myself, are very verbal and we speak all the time. Our issues are in the nonverbal areas such as body language. We don't read body language well nor can we understand facial expressions or interpret voice tones. That's what I tried to explain. I apologize if it seems like I'm arguing but people get confused about NLD meaning those with it should not speak at all despite being extremely verbal. Also it affects people differently like AS does.

Unfortunately for me, I can talk excessively but my words come out like a trainwreck and I mumble a lot. I'm usually quiet because of that. Go figure.

I honestly don't understand why people are competing about being autistic. From what I understand, it affects people differently. :roll:


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