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Age: 38
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15 Jun 2013, 6:48 pm
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16 Jun 2013, 9:12 am
Another contradiction.
I thought it was NTs who exaggerated more, or told white lies, or whatever?
Somewhere on WP I've been convinced that all NTs tell all lies all the time, and that if I think that isn't true then I trust everyone too much.
16 Jun 2013, 3:02 pm
This strongly reminded me of this quote from the British sitcom "Miranda":
Miranda wrote:
"You know when you get nervous socially, you end up lying to impress?"
The replies are something like "not really", to which she replies "Exactly, everyone does it!"
I tend to exaggerate quite a bit when I'm nervous. Then I realise it sounds ridiculous and is also untrue. Then I backpedal. Then I get even more nervous, shut up abruptly, and weird people out even more than I probably would've done had I just stuck to the original exaggeration, which I can't do because I feel exceedingly uncomfortable with it.
[Edited for faulty grammar]
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17 Jun 2013, 3:48 am
17 Jun 2013, 6:51 am
I was just looking through my freshly arrived copy of Tony Attwood's Complete Guide, and lo and behold --
Quote:
The escape into imagination can be a psychologically constructive adaptation, but there are risks of other people misinterpreting the child's intentions or state of mind. Hans Asperger wrote, with regard to one of the four children who became the basis of his thesis on autistic personality disorder, that:
This may be somewhat related?
Quote:
He was said to be an inveterate 'liar'. He did not lie in order to get out of something he had done -- this was certainly not his problem, as he always told the truth very brazenly -- but he told long, fantastic stories, his confabulations becoming ever more strange and incoherent. He liked to tell fantastic stories, in which he always appeared as the hero. He would tell his mother how he was praised by the teacher in front of the class, and other similar tales. (Asperger [1944] 1991:51)
Under conditions of extreme stress or loneliness the propensity to escape into an imaginary world and imaginary friends can lead to an internal fantasy becoming a 'reality' for the person with Asperger's syndrome. (Tony Attwood 2007:25)P.S.: I hope it's okay to put this quotation up? Not sure how much / little of a text I'm allowed to quote before it moves into "copyrighted material" territory ...
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25 Jun 2013, 4:51 am
alwaystomorrow wrote:
I was just looking through my freshly arrived copy of Tony Attwood's Complete Guide, and lo and behold --
P.S.: I hope it's okay to put this quotation up? Not sure how much / little of a text I'm allowed to quote before it moves into "copyrighted material" territory ...
Quote:
The escape into imagination can be a psychologically constructive adaptation, but there are risks of other people misinterpreting the child's intentions or state of mind. Hans Asperger wrote, with regard to one of the four children who became the basis of his thesis on autistic personality disorder, that:
This may be somewhat related?Quote:
He was said to be an inveterate 'liar'. He did not lie in order to get out of something he had done -- this was certainly not his problem, as he always told the truth very brazenly -- but he told long, fantastic stories, his confabulations becoming ever more strange and incoherent. He liked to tell fantastic stories, in which he always appeared as the hero. He would tell his mother how he was praised by the teacher in front of the class, and other similar tales. (Asperger [1944] 1991:51)
Under conditions of extreme stress or loneliness the propensity to escape into an imaginary world and imaginary friends can lead to an internal fantasy becoming a 'reality' for the person with Asperger's syndrome. (Tony Attwood 2007:25)P.S.: I hope it's okay to put this quotation up? Not sure how much / little of a text I'm allowed to quote before it moves into "copyrighted material" territory ...
Every time I read something like this, some AS related thing that fits me 100%, I get a little shock. I mean this "escape into an imaginary world".
I exaggerate a lot, too. When telling a story, I sometimes feel that a good story is more important than sticking to the facts.
However, I find it very hard to lie about important things, especially when asked directly. Well, I can do it in extreme cases, but it never feels ok, and never looks natural.
Actually, this quote totally resolves one of my little problems, namely, how can I be such a good liar and, at the same time, such a bad liar?
25 Jun 2013, 9:55 am
25 Jun 2013, 1:36 pm
marshall wrote:
FirstDay wrote:
Every time I read something like this, some AS related thing that fits me 100%, I get a little shock. I mean this "escape into an imaginary world".
I exaggerate a lot, too. When telling a story, I sometimes feel that a good story is more important than sticking to the facts.
However, I find it very hard to lie about important things, especially when asked directly. Well, I can do it in extreme cases, but it never feels ok, and never looks natural.
Actually, this quote totally resolves one of my little problems, namely, how can I be such a good liar and, at the same time, such a bad liar?
I exaggerate a lot, too. When telling a story, I sometimes feel that a good story is more important than sticking to the facts.
However, I find it very hard to lie about important things, especially when asked directly. Well, I can do it in extreme cases, but it never feels ok, and never looks natural.
Actually, this quote totally resolves one of my little problems, namely, how can I be such a good liar and, at the same time, such a bad liar?
I can relate to that. I sometimes feel like the literal truth is dull and doesn't illustrate my point as well. In the past I concocted stories more often than I do now. I'm not sure it's really an aspie thing though. It seems like autobiographical writers get in trouble with this all the time.
Not to be a spoiler but I watched the movie "Life Of Pi" and it kind of touches on this topic.
The thing that struck me in that quote was using escape into imagination to adapt under stress conditions. I related this to daydreaming rather than telling stories. It's always been a huge problem for me. When things get tough, I literally escape to a different reality. I've blamed myself for it all my life but never thought it could be a symptom of anything. Although, this might be not a specifically AS thing either...
As to autobiographies, well, you're right
But I think sometimes the writers pursue more practical purposes, e.g. like improving their reputation. "Everybody lies"
25 Jun 2013, 1:44 pm
