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30 Jun 2013, 1:25 pm

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I believe KingdomOfRats preferred the division between high-functioning and low-functioning autism? . . .

No, the opposite. That supposed "low"-functioning persons are treated as though their opinions don't matter. And that supposed "high"-functioning persons are told they should be making it, and if they aren't, they're 'not trying hard enough,' it's their own damn fault, or some similar nonsense.

In both cases, what's missed is giving people the modest amount of help---as individuals.

If we talk about it and think about it, we most probably want people to be accepted as full-fledged members of the broader community and at the same time have a variety of open fields to choose from.



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30 Jun 2013, 2:03 pm

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No, the opposite. That supposed "low"-functioning persons are treated as though their opinions don't matter. And that supposed "high"-functioning persons are told they should be making it, and if they aren't, they're 'not trying hard enough,' it's their own damn fault, or some similar nonsense.

In both cases, what's missed is giving people the modest amount of help---as individuals.

If we talk about it and think about it, we most probably want people to be accepted as full-fledged members of the broader community and at the same time have a variety of open fields to choose from.


Then there should be more than three levels of severity in ASD? Aren't those three ment to point out the amount of help needed? I've always thought that if the symptoms are mild enough (the person does well and wouldn't benefit of anykind of therapy etc) then what is the diagnosis based on? Shouldn't there be symptoms severe enough to be called disorder, handicap, impairment... What kind of disorder is that if it only makes a person do better in life?

But I do understand where you are coming from :)



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30 Jun 2013, 7:13 pm

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I don't think one is harder to diagnose than the other. However, some of us are harder to diagnose due to other disabilities and gender. (females have different traits)


what traits do females have?



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01 Jul 2013, 7:59 pm

In general, women on the Spectrum are more likely to end up with some abusive ass-hole, whereas men on the Spectrum are more likely to end up isolated and alone.

Now, neither one of these outcomes have to happen. With family and/or community support, with skill teaching, and with a little bit of luck along the way, both men and women on the Spectrum can have good lives. And can recovery from bad situations if and when necessary.



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01 Jul 2013, 8:11 pm

as far as diagnosing adults on the Spectrum

well, similar to the subject of assertiveness training where it was considered 'normal' for women to be nonassertive, something similar might happen.

And if men stim in somewhat obvious ways, that might be considered worse than if women stim.



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02 Jul 2013, 8:05 am

l0st0ne wrote:
Wandering_Stranger wrote:
I don't think one is harder to diagnose than the other. However, some of us are harder to diagnose due to other disabilities and gender. (females have different traits)


what traits do females have?


I can't remember off the top of my head. There is something about our interests generally being different.



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02 Jul 2013, 10:47 am

I've heard that girls aren't that prone to lecture. Our special interests are more common, like horses etc. Girls are more like quiet dreamers.