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Should they have closed the thread?
Yes they should 55%  55%  [ 6 ]
I don't like the song BUT they have no business closing it either 18%  18%  [ 2 ]
I think it is a cool song actually. Definitely closing it was a mistake. 27%  27%  [ 3 ]
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22 Jan 2007, 5:44 am

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Its mandatory to have a translator these days 50% of the traffic is from foreign countries

http://www.freetranslation.com/



Gave me: "Error: "Russian/English" is not a valid language"

That's the stupidest thing I ever heard! I selected Russian to English, so why isn't it valid? :roll: Hopeless NT amateurs really need to stop building websites. :x



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22 Jan 2007, 5:46 am

logitechdog wrote:
Its mandatory to have a translator these days 50% of the traffic is from foreign countries


Mandatory? I don't think so - advisable perhaps, but those people wouldn't be able to respond properly if they couldn't speak English well anyway.



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22 Jan 2007, 5:47 am

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It wouldn't be so bad if it was actually in context and there was an English translation to go with it. Otherwise, what's the point for the people who can't read Russian?


He needs to go back to his Doc and let him know he's been misdiagnosed. Obvious case of NTism methinks.



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22 Jan 2007, 5:51 am

Who, me? Or someone else?



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22 Jan 2007, 5:52 am

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I don't agree with the decision to close my thread http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php? ... highlight=
This is an international message board so I should be allowed to speak in any language I want, including Russian.

And by the way the song about village Klyntsi is pretty cool, don't you think? http://www.klintsy.ru/music/klintsy2.mp3


How about Swahili?



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22 Jan 2007, 5:53 am

Tequila wrote:
Who, me? Or someone else?


The OP.



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22 Jan 2007, 5:54 am

funny translator works for me in all 3 browsers...



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22 Jan 2007, 5:58 am

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1) The website and it's admin are based in the USA.


a)Where an individual resides is his or her own business, even if the individual happened to be an administrator of a message board. What if they liked to travel from country to country? Also what if some of the mods live in USA while others live elsewhere?

b)What if someone wanted to make an all-language message board. Are you saying he would have to make sure to have citizenship in all countries at once?

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2) The majority of people here are in English-speaking countries. It's an English-language board as Tequila stated.


Accomodating to majority is equivalent to discrimination against minorities

andy1976uk wrote:
3) English is not only the defacto international language of commerce, it is the standard language of computing and the Internet.


Once again, making individuals obey de-facto is equivalent to discrimination.

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If people don't know English, they do themselves a big favour by learning it.


Yah and it takes years to learn it. I personally was never able to learn english while still living in Russia because the english teachers over there didn't knwo the language themselves. When i came to USA it took for me approximately 3 years to learn it.

Also consider the fact that Americans don't meet others half way either. A typical European would know SEVERAL languages, not jsut English. Why? Because they want to respect the contires that they visit. So that if a Frenchman goes to Germany he can speak to them in their own language instead of Enlish.

Even British do that. Despite their language being universal they learn other languages too. But somehow Americans are exempt from that. Unlike British, the Americans insist that everyone learns THEIR language.

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4) You appear to speak perfect English, so what's the problem?


First of all I didn't write this song I cut and pasted it, so I didn't want to translate it and ruin it alone the way.

Secondly, the song is about a certain Russian village Klyntsi being their homeland. So if it were sang in English it would completely ruin a spirit.

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5) We don't want to see a bunch of question marks all over our screens, which is what many saw..


Like I said, I editted them to make it into Russian text WITHOUT question marks. But then when mods closed the thread they un-editted it back.

andy1976uk wrote:
6) The above facts are unlikely to change anytime soon.


Except that I have just proven them wrong (see above).

andy1976uk wrote:
I second Tequila's idea about it being moved to International area..


What if I want to share the uniqueness of my Russian culture with my American friends?



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22 Jan 2007, 6:00 am

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funny translator works for me in all 3 browsers...


For me it does, too. But what happends is that if I am using mac then I can WRITE the Russian letters (using translator) but the moment I POST them, they get posted as question marks. So thats why I have to use PC in which case they would be posted the way they are written, as Russian letters.



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22 Jan 2007, 6:00 am

andy1976uk wrote:
Roman wrote:
I don't agree with the decision to close my thread http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php? ... highlight=
This is an international message board so I should be allowed to speak in any language I want, including Russian.

And by the way the song about village Klyntsi is pretty cool, don't you think? http://www.klintsy.ru/music/klintsy2.mp3


How about Swahili?


I have no problem with Swahili either. As an international forum, everyone is allowed to post on their own languages.



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22 Jan 2007, 6:06 am

Roman wrote:
Accomodating to majority is equivalent to discrimination against minorities


You're on private property. The owner of these boards can restrict the language used on his property to anything he likes. If he wanted it to be a Welsh-language only board, that would be his prerogative. You have no rights on private property. Understood?

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Once again, making individuals obey de-facto is equivalent to discrimination.


Yes, but no one here is holding a gun to your head and telling you to post. :)

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What if I want to share the uniqueness of my Russian culture with my American friends?


You come across as being rather intolerant yourself.



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22 Jan 2007, 6:12 am

Really T I know how he feels coming from Russia, Americans normally don't like different, they tell you to get out of the fing face or don't touch me when your trying to great them in your country’s way... Even more so for the other countries, they even phone the police if you don't be with in the normal manner as a guest...

They class it as a Snob..



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22 Jan 2007, 6:22 am

Tequila wrote:
Roman wrote:
Accomodating to majority is equivalent to discrimination against minorities


You're on private property. The owner of these boards can restrict the language used on his property to anything he likes. If he wanted it to be a Welsh-language only board, that would be his prerogative. You have no rights on private property. Understood?


I am not forcing mods to do anything I am just letting them know my opinion about their choices. By the way, if you see a White person not willing to mix with blacks you look down upon them even though it is their privite property too. The melting pot of USA has a lot of double standards.

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Once again, making individuals obey de-facto is equivalent to discrimination.


Yes, but no one here is holding a gun to your head and telling you to post. :)


But they forced me NOT to post (i.e. removal of thread)

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What if I want to share the uniqueness of my Russian culture with my American friends?


You come across as being rather intolerant yourself.


There is nothing racist in that song and you guys hear plenty of foreign language songs on CD-s. How is Russian any worse?



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22 Jan 2007, 6:22 am

logitechdog wrote:
Really T I know how he feels coming from Russia, Americans normally don't like different, they tell you to get out of the fing face or don't touch me when your trying to great them in your country’s way... Even more so for the other countries, they even phone the police if you don't be with in the normal manner as a guest...

They class it as a Snob..


Exactly



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22 Jan 2007, 6:32 am

Roman wrote:
andy1976uk wrote:
1) The website and it's admin are based in the USA.


a)Where an individual resides is his or her own business, even if the individual happened to be an administrator of a message board. What if they liked to travel from country to country? Also what if some of the mods live in USA while others live elsewhere?

b)What if someone wanted to make an all-language message board. Are you saying he would have to make sure to have citizenship in all countries at once?

andy1976uk wrote:
2) The majority of people here are in English-speaking countries. It's an English-language board as Tequila stated.


Accomodating to majority is equivalent to discrimination against minorities

andy1976uk wrote:
3) English is not only the defacto international language of commerce, it is the standard language of computing and the Internet.


Once again, making individuals obey de-facto is equivalent to discrimination.

andy1976uk wrote:
If people don't know English, they do themselves a big favour by learning it.


Yah and it takes years to learn it. I personally was never able to learn english while still living in Russia because the english teachers over there didn't knwo the language themselves. When i came to USA it took for me approximately 3 years to learn it.

Also consider the fact that Americans don't meet others half way either. A typical European would know SEVERAL languages, not jsut English. Why? Because they want to respect the contires that they visit. So that if a Frenchman goes to Germany he can speak to them in their own language instead of Enlish.

Even British do that. Despite their language being universal they learn other languages too. But somehow Americans are exempt from that. Unlike British, the Americans insist that everyone learns THEIR language.

andy1976uk wrote:
4) You appear to speak perfect English, so what's the problem?


First of all I didn't write this song I cut and pasted it, so I didn't want to translate it and ruin it alone the way.

Secondly, the song is about a certain Russian village Klyntsi being their homeland. So if it were sang in English it would completely ruin a spirit.

andy1976uk wrote:
5) We don't want to see a bunch of question marks all over our screens, which is what many saw..


Like I said, I editted them to make it into Russian text WITHOUT question marks. But then when mods closed the thread they un-editted it back.

andy1976uk wrote:
6) The above facts are unlikely to change anytime soon.


Except that I have just proven them wrong (see above).

andy1976uk wrote:
I second Tequila's idea about it being moved to International area..


What if I want to share the uniqueness of my Russian culture with my American friends?





So what's the answer, that everyone learns every other language? Very impractical as there are hundreds of them.

As you said, it takes a long time to learn a language so people need to be very selective in what they learn. You seem to be making the assumption that everyone here reads Russian.

English, Mandarin Chinese and Spanish are the 3 most commonly spoken languages on this planet and English is pervasive throughout the modern world, whether you like it or not. Russian, French and German are used significantly less, so anyone who learns those languages better have a damn good reason.

How does filling our screens with question marks or Russian characters help anyone? I'm not saying you should have recorded yourself singing in English, merely that it would have been basic courtesy to provide us with somekind of translation alongside or underneath the Russian characters. Look, I just wrote a song in my own language and here are the lyrics:

ethrthi juteowregrg rweqfreqtrtgtghrht rtgrtgerfgje
eeeeeeeeeeee ryuthiujitfjrcjcchcccgbghg et frejd siufde
hggrhfgeerghtrhgutrhgrth rtgjigjreifgrugfitgtghtooggthguf gtthgrthyrhythythg
trgthgy gtrhrgtjyj fgbdhtyfhyhjyrh gthtdhyth sdsdsdsded
pppyhogtbogtbvkvgk dehdhefjhf fgfgfrjedf ggthghgjkh gftgjfgjkg
thgth rftggbgbbgbbgbgb thyrjhygjifdgf ooooooooooooo gttrghjtrgryhytjyhjn
geethgtgtji dfjfivgrfg rtgruitrutr
duuuuuuuuuuuuh rgfjrekgjrikgjtrifg rfjifjerfji rfgjihgth thgjrtigjuethigejg
opoeprogerjfdefwrjic
rfgjfrss tehgithgjtihjthjih
fdghjrdghjergetg thrthrt ghtrhhyt eddedeeded mmrtgtgo mooefrwofprfprfop rfgrfrjif



Where the Hell is your logic?????? You've proven that you can't think properly, nothing else.



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22 Jan 2007, 6:33 am

How is it related to autism? Should have been in the art section with an English translation included. This thread also should have been in the WP disscussion forum.