Brain "malfunction" feeling - do you get this?

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03 Jul 2013, 11:30 pm

I don't understand anything beyond third-level theory of mind, no matter how much people try to explain it to me. Even third-level only works on my good days. Also, things with high emotional content or fast topic changes are incomprehensible to me. What happens is exactly what you've described... my brain just experiences a sort of a dead end and I have nothing to say. The same thing happens when there is too much emotion being expressed.

I can't express emotions in words, either. I can draw what I'm feeling, but not say it. Even a simple emotionally-based question, like "how are you", shuts me down unless I can just avoid answering it.


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06 Jul 2013, 9:43 am

I feel the exact same way :x



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06 Jul 2013, 10:03 am

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Whirlingmind, I was researching a specific kind of memory a while ago and your feeling reminds me a lot of what people with brain damage would say when asked to remember something that they couldn't (due to having a part of their brain destroyed). They would pause and say it was like a total empty blank. So it seems intuitively plausible to me that you are actually feeling a lack of brain machinery to deal with certain information.

I think I might get a similar mind block as you when I try to intuitively sense how others perceive me-- feels like the front part of my head has frozen and become blank and clear as ice and the nothingness could stretch for miles. I can use other methods to compensate for the blank (like reasoning very carefully about how I would feel in that situation) but it feels like I am taking a brain detour, like taking the long way around to my thinking destination, or something. You might be able to create similar "brain detours" if you work hard on figuring out the steps of conscious reasoning you need to do to empathize or do math. I think this is what a lot of autistic people end up doing especially with the social stuff.


Thanks the_grand_autismo, an interesting way of looking at it. Definitely I think we look logically at social situations, and use memory too - like frantically searching through the hard drive for that file - to remind us what this is likely to mean, based on what the previous file says about the situation. So the detour thing is kind of like you can't access the right file, but there might be a similar one that you have to go via a different path to. I think we also logically say to ourselves subconsciously "on balance it's likeliest to be X" in a social situation. This is why we are exhausted after socialising, it's so much hard work!


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06 Jul 2013, 10:09 am

And another thing is, that high emotions from others (especially the tears and needing support type) make me panic. I don't know exactly why, but I just want to run away, and also if I offer solutions and they still keep crying and going on about it I start to feel really irritated in the end.

Not sure if it's because I don't have enough empathy or whether it's because it seems illogical that they should be that upset or that it's too intense for me, or what it is. It's kind of bizarre because I can be very emotional myself and I'm sure I can ramble on if something has upset me. It's rather contrary.


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06 Jul 2013, 10:17 am

whirlingmind wrote:
And another thing is, that high emotions from others (especially the tears and needing support type) make me panic. I don't know exactly why, but I just want to run away, and also if I offer solutions and they still keep crying and going on about it I start to feel really irritated in the end.

Not sure if it's because I don't have enough empathy or whether it's because it seems illogical that they should be that upset or that it's too intense for me, or what it is. It's kind of bizarre because I can be very emotional myself and I'm sure I can ramble on if something has upset me. It's rather contrary.


Whirlingmind, I can relate completely to what you are saying. I too find myself unable to deal with drama well of any kind, . To borrow an old, "out-dated" term, I think I am a bit too high-strung for intense emotions of any kind. In comparison, drama puts my quiet life in stark relief, and make me all the more grateful for it. I think for me high drama is related to the same sensory overload that makes me very irritable around loud noises and commotion in general, as drama usually includes both.

What I'm getting at is that after listening to other aspies' stories around here, I don't think I'm alone in this respect. So, assuming this also applies to you, I hope you don't beat yourself up for "lacking empathy" just for being who you are. I think ultimately that we can be most accepting of others when we can accept ourselves.



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06 Jul 2013, 10:37 am

Yes, where I just can't link up with the concept discussed, where I cannot find the grounding under the concept that allows me to understand, leaving me in a state of perplexity.



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06 Jul 2013, 10:37 am

whirlingmind wrote:
And another thing is, that high emotions from others (especially the tears and needing support type) make me panic. I don't know exactly why, but I just want to run away, and also if I offer solutions and they still keep crying and going on about it I start to feel really irritated in the end.

Not sure if it's because I don't have enough empathy or whether it's because it seems illogical that they should be that upset or that it's too intense for me, or what it is. It's kind of bizarre because I can be very emotional myself and I'm sure I can ramble on if something has upset me. It's rather contrary.


I have the same issue.



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06 Jul 2013, 11:16 am

Yes I do. I get that all the time in all situations.
Especially when I'm in a social environment. I used to think of it as some sort of ADHD but it turned out to be much more complicated than that.
Whirlingmind---yes, it actually feels physical. I'd put it this way. My brain is a perfectly fine machine running Windows Vista. Each time a blockage like this happens, I have to restart.


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06 Jul 2013, 12:52 pm

I get that "brick wall" feeling sometimes, too. It often happens when I'm trying to do something like pack my belongings to move, for example. Can't think of other examples off the top of my head (I just woke up), but I definitely get that when it comes to tasks that I see as unpleasant/overwhelming. Things like cleaning my room and packing. I'm sure there are probably other times I get that , too. It's certainly a frustrating feeling, especially when the people around me can't see or understand that.



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06 Jul 2013, 1:42 pm

I used to get that, my stepfather would explain some complicated theory of maths and then ask me to repeat what he just said, he might as well have been speaking Chinese to me, my brain just didn't work.

What then made it worst was he would then smash me with his fist in the side of my head thinking that would help my brain work better or something, it never did so I just had to stand there as a little boy punching bag until he gave up.



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06 Jul 2013, 5:29 pm

is it information overload?

am only able to understand things if simple easy language is used with the key points,if this doesnt happen; am left reeling in what feels like agony,it is information overload and its akin to may be opening a load of laggy programs on a crappy computer,it just stalls;hangs there and cant let anything else through.
at the same time am trying so hard to understand that others say am stood there completely unresponsive and drooling they have to give a bear hug, and eventualy it reboots and starts working again but am so knackered after it.


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06 Jul 2013, 8:31 pm

I, too, can relate to having a brain "blockage" or "blank" at times when asked questions such as "are you okay"
"how are you doing", etc. Certain times i just go blank i cannot even think let alone answer them.
There are no physical discomfort that i recall during times. it's frustrating not being able to describe or say something
that seems so simple. This happens in normal situations where its just me and my gf, no one else, not stress, in my own home. So i don't think it's completely stress related. It is just how my brain is wired.

There are also a lot of times where i will forget what i was saying mid-sentence and not remember. I am going to go to a neurologist again eventually (its absense seizures likely aka petit mals) yet i don't see what they can do. My psych thought i have Aphasia due to stress at times, however he is still being filled in on my background. (Moved)

This is a very interesting topic, as it seems many on the spectrum are familiar with this experience. It would be neat if someone ran an experiment with brain scans and the like to see if similar areas on different peoples' brains are being affected when we go "blank or have a blockage".



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07 Jul 2013, 5:23 am

I think what I've always done is to try to hide my disablility. Put up a facade that was intended to make me seem OK and normal. Now I begin to see what's below that false mask. I feel real me hidden below is surprisingly low-functioning.

That feeling of hardware failure and agony is something I get a lot. My normal thought then is "I'm being too verbal". Then I try to be and do things more nonverbally. And I'm once more fine.


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07 Jul 2013, 9:02 pm

I get the same feeling when I'm facing a complicated task. I get through it by breaking the task into small pieces and putting them together. Sometimes the pieces need some revision but overall this works well at my job. School usually had more stress so it doesn't work as well.



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07 Jul 2013, 9:15 pm

This happens to me, sometimes with things involving taking other people's perspective. It happened to me last night but now I can't even remember what triggered it.

I think some of it might be information overload as KingdomOfRats describes, although I am not as vulnerable to it as she describes.

Sometimes it feels like there's pressure building in my head, like the prelude to a tension headache, when I am trying to understand information that won't process properly.



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08 Jul 2013, 1:36 pm

Dedication wrote:
Krabo wrote:
Occassionally I experience something related. It's not when I'm talking with people, rather, it happens when I'm reading. All of a sudden I realize that I just can't understand what the sentence is about. If I examine the contents of it, words and grammar, I find there's nothing wrong. Separate words are understandable, even pairs of words. But the big picture evades my mind. This happens both in English and Finnish (my native language), and eventually the awkward feeling dissolves and everything is clear.


I can relate. I've had a reading comprehension disability in the past, so that may be part of it.

I might have Auditory Processing Disorder, so this happens all the time with people talking. I'm given a question, I don't understand it, so I go "What?" Before I get a repeat, I finally start understanding the garble that was in my brain and I'm like "Oh, wait, yes!" It must seem weird for that person that I take a while before I can process it.

Cannot put it better myself.