What is the ADHD- AS overlap?

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06 Jul 2013, 1:49 pm

Verdandi wrote:

btbnnyr wrote:

Research studies have shown that people with ASD + ADHD have additive effects of both, which cause lower adaptive functioning skills than people with ASD only or ADHD only.

I'm looking for the research now, but would you have any links to this? It's highly relevant to my interests.

Also, I appreciate the distinctions you made in this post. On another forum not too long ago, there was a poster who was posting everywhere that AS and ADHD were virtually identical and indistinguishable, and wouldn't discuss it, which I found somewhat frustrating.

I would also be very keen in getting hold of this research !

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06 Jul 2013, 2:01 pm

These are abstracts on this topic:
Pubmed Link 1
Pubmed Link 2
Pubmed Link 3

There are others that I have seen, but not looked for again, but general trend is lower functioning in ASD+ADHD group in absence of intellectual disability.

Not surprising result, considering additive effects of both ASD and ADHD in this group.

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06 Jul 2013, 2:05 pm

btbnnyr wrote:

Thank you much for these links.

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06 Jul 2013, 2:10 pm

btbnnyr wrote:

Thank you very much

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06 Jul 2013, 2:41 pm

is it true that you have to have over 75 in IQ, to be an aspie? If a person qualify for ALL of the diagnostic criteria, but have inteligence quotent below this, he/she will not be diagnosed as an aspie?

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06 Jul 2013, 2:50 pm

lonestar wrote:

The criteria exclude anyone who has delays in self-help and adaptive skills (this one is not often acknowledged, however), delay in developing speech, or intellectual disability.

In those cases, autism or PDD-NOS would be diagnosed instead. At least, under the DSM-IV. I am not sure how it works for the ICD-10. And of course the DSM-5 does away with those labels and childhood disintegrative disorder.

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06 Jul 2013, 2:51 pm

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Thank you, that was helpful .9

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06 Jul 2013, 3:32 pm

Here is an abstract comparing ASD+ADHD to ADHD only: LINK

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06 Jul 2013, 3:32 pm

Verdandi wrote:

lonestar wrote:

It is the same for the ICD-10:

Quote:

F84.5 Asperger's Syndrome

A. A lack of any clinically significant general delay in spoken or receptive language or cognitive development. Diagnosis requires that single words should have developed by two years of age or earlier and that communicative phrases be used by three years of age or earlier. Self-help skills, adaptive behaviour and curiosity about the environment during the first three years should be at a level consistent with normal intellectual development. However, motor milestones may be somewhat delayed and motor clumsiness is usual (although not a necessary diagnostic feature).

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06 Jul 2013, 3:48 pm

Thanks much to both of the previous two posters.

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06 Jul 2013, 3:50 pm

Here is an abstract with a much lower estimate for ADHD-ASD overlap based on behavioral reports: LINK

(change topic)
Based on my searches, a robust result repeatedly found is that children with ASD do not have the inhibitory/impulsivity problems of children with ADHD, and inhibition deficit is not core trait of ASD.

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06 Jul 2013, 5:45 pm

I just wanted to say thank you to the OP for starting this discussion, and everyone who contributed for the heaps of interesting information.

I'm in a similar place as Joe90 atm -- considering whether I might have ADHD-inattentive with all the overlap traits with AS, rather than an actual ASD -- and everything in this thread is extremely helpful.

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06 Jul 2013, 5:58 pm

alwaystomorrow wrote:

i couldnt agree more! plenty of insights and information

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06 Jul 2013, 6:21 pm

People are more than welcome to post links to researchs regarding this topic, or come with personal insight

Thanks everyone who has contributed with info

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06 Jul 2013, 9:36 pm

btbnnyr wrote:

You are one of my favorite posters because you never get ruffled and you have the best information.

Thanks again for providing these links. The first four especially give me some needed context that may explain issues I've been trying to understand even in light of my AS and ADHD dual diagnosis.

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