US spends 18 times more than UK on autism research

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10 Jul 2013, 6:55 am

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[I wish there was someone who could so much as help me find a specialist for NLD, but there isn't.


I keep hoping and checking the web.


But you have social services in the US. Surely they can do an assessment and see what you need (to both)?


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In the US, the user pays and the insurance company may pay part if he is lucky to have it. Honestly, insurance companies for the most part cover pre-existing conditions. I believe this is what tyrion is talking about. WM, I don't know what your culture is like but ours is based upon "pulling oneself by his bootstraps." One is supposed to overcome his struggles on his own. This is what we're dealing with WM. Therein lies the problem. We're live and are dealing in a culture that has an ontology some of us can't deal.

We would need these services provided to us. IMHO, based upon our ontology some of us who needs these things will not receive them. Therein lies the issue of what we're dealing with. We do have an autism center in our area but it is $100 per hour. This is what we're dealing with. Am I on the right topic Tyrion?

WM, this is why I am forced to fight. I don't like fighting and I don't like conflict. I don't relish getting into conflict and arguments. The ontology of America and the people have forced my hand.



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10 Jul 2013, 7:05 am

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A couple of weeks ago I read that Britain spends 28 Billion pounds on Autism research and various other things attributed to autism, education, medication and so on. Times 28 Billion 18 times, someone’s telling porky’s. Whether it’s the States or Britain telling lies, I’m pretty sure all those involved are enjoying a good life style from these funds.


The UK defence budget last year was £33.8 billion, I think that £2.8 million would be closer to the actual figure.

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10 Jul 2013, 8:57 am

I couldn't believe it also, 28 billion, it sounds very steep, 2.8 billion sounds about right.

What is an expert without any results, without a cure or cause of the condition he is studying.

It's ironic that people with aspergers have a greater potential than the average man on the street to be a genius, and yet it's the so called experts that collect a fat wage who are left to work out what autism is, to no provail.

I would love it if a team of people with aspergers got together and worked it out.

When I become stressed, I can't look people in the eyes. Why would people believe this reaction to be a desease like syphilis, when it's clearly a mental condition I can't help?



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10 Jul 2013, 9:16 am

Hello, that's 2.8 Million with an M. 8O



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10 Jul 2013, 10:43 am

2.8 million sounds about right. Doing the maths another way, if we are spending £4.26 per Autistic person, then that would be 657,276 people with Autism which is pretty close to the current estimates for the UK (currently around 700,000) Assuming you believe those estimates of course ;)

when you work it out per Autistic person it really doesn't sound like much. Obviously, research isn't funded by how many people there are with a condition, it is funded by how much it actually costs to do the research, ie. equipment, wages for scientists / assistants etc. These costs remain the same regardless of how many people have Autism. But 2.8 Million is pretty poor really.

If just £1.00 per person with autism were spent every week, that would raise about £36 million per year in research funds! Just think how much more could be done then.


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10 Jul 2013, 10:44 am

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In america you can also get a bleach enema to 'cure' your child of Autism, they're not too popular in the UK.


Just read up on that and I'm horrified, if they tried to do that here they would most likely be arrested for child abuse :evil:


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10 Jul 2013, 10:59 am

It’s getting sadder and sadder, 2.8 million, that’s what the queen of England spends on toilet products each year.

I wish I remembered where it was that I saw Britain spent billions on autism, I will try to remember.

Oh well, I’m glad I don’t live in England anymore, it sounds like they still don’t care about people with any form of mental condition very much.



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10 Jul 2013, 11:25 am

I must have seen it in a dream, there is no way Britain is funding autism with billions of pounds, you are right.

I just read where the British spent 5million on research into autism in 2009, and in the same year they spent 500 million on cancer research.

Why don’t they care so much about people with autism in Britain?



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10 Jul 2013, 11:29 am

Rudywalsh wrote:
It’s getting sadder and sadder, 2.8 million, that’s what the queen of England spends on toilet products each year.

I wish I remembered where it was that I saw Britain spent billions on autism, I will try to remember.

Oh well, I’m glad I don’t live in England anymore, it sounds like they still don’t care about people with any form of mental condition very much.


So how much do they spend on Autism research in spain then? or on social care for people with Autism?

What the Uk spends on research is independent of what they spend on actual help for people with Autism. I don't know the full figures for social care, and don't have the inclination to check, but its a damn sight more than just £2.8 million. I do know that the NAS had a turnover of about £90 million in 2011, of which approx. £83 million came from government sources. Then there are the DLA payments to people with Autism (now being replaced with PIP) and local authority spending, NHS spending etc.

It always amazes me that people confuse medical research with social spending, its not like they are similar or anything.

Don't get me wrong, we probably don't spend as much as we should on the problem, but that can be said of any condition, not just Autism. And it is a problem that is common throughout Europe, not just the UK.


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10 Jul 2013, 12:23 pm

In 2010 cancer incidence was around 325000 people diagnosed, cancer deaths in the UK for the same year was 157000, I feel that it is right that cancer research has significantly larger funding than Autism research.

GGM - I fully agree with your statement above. Bleach demons. :evil:



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10 Jul 2013, 10:15 pm

Rudywalsh wrote:
I must have seen it in a dream, there is no way Britain is funding autism with billions of pounds, you are right.

I just read where the British spent 5million on research into autism in 2009, and in the same year they spent 500 million on cancer research.

Why don’t they care so much about people with autism in Britain?


- As already pointed out, research does not equal total spending.

- All services provided to those of us on the spectrum in the UK are provided for free. A large number of people on the spectrum receive a wide-range of benefits - and will continue to do so until their deaths.

- Researching autism may or may not improve the quality of life of a minority of the population. Discovering a hard cure for cancer will save billions of lives over time.

- We understand autism sufficiently that it makes far more sense to spend money on CARE and SUPPORT than on any research ventures.

With all the above, however, there are very few nations that can claim they look after those of us who are 'disadvantaged' as diligently as they could or should.