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31 Jul 2013, 3:55 pm

If you want to be sure she will never talk to you again make the following snide remark.

Ask how she can be so sure about your autism, after all maybe she just convinced herself autism isn't real, I mean that is what she claims right that you can convince yourself of anything.

I would advice against this though, but that is the first thing that popped into my mind, as it reminded me of all the people who have been like this towards me in the past, and sadly I've never convinced any of them.

When I was in college I had a teacher who did not believe I had ADD ( did not have my autism diagnosis back then) and went out of his way to let me know about this many times.

One time he told my fellow project members he would fail me on my personal evaluation because of my "behavior", the other people I made the project with told me this before the presentation, and needless to say I verbally beat the crap out of him about it during those 30 minutes, with a voice that almost sounded like he had to cry a little he yelled we all passed and had to get out of his face.

Still every time I have to do this it hurts, because I do not understand why people can be this biased and ignorant about disabilities.

Reading your story makes me sad, and I hope you find a way to salvage the relation, but in any case know this, you did not do anything wrong by sharing it.

And the thing with people is that they sometimes need to experience something before they believe it is real, like how people judge others who have a depression and say they are overreacting.



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31 Jul 2013, 4:27 pm

When I read the thread title I was like "Dur". It is all in the mind.

It's not completely of course, sensitivity issues with touch, smells, noise and such are external influences.

But the mind processes ALL information. So one could say truthfully that everything in the world is how the mind perceived it to be. Think colour blind people. The world IS, what you perceive it to be.

Unfortunately the woman you describe is not uncommon within society.



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31 Jul 2013, 6:24 pm

Funny thing is, if her nephew is completely closed off and non verbal, he probably has classic Autism rather than Asperger Syndrome.

And its not all in our heads (psychological) , its all in our brains (neurological). :nerdy:



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31 Jul 2013, 7:38 pm

Higgie, it sounds to me like she has repressed anger issues and bitterness. I thought about it more and I am not convinced that it's about you at all. You just happen to be a target right in her path. Try not to take it personally if you can.



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31 Jul 2013, 9:09 pm

KingdomOfRats wrote:
that type of person isnt worth trying to convince,they have deep set beliefs and agendas based on ignorance and wont change, they are not worth affecting mental health over, just try and laugh it off, pity her for being so damn ignorant.

I wouldn't waste much time on her. Some people just don't understand.



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31 Jul 2013, 9:55 pm

@OP:

My grandmother is that way. She honestly thinks that my AS is a lifestyle choice, despite people telling and showing her otherwise.
I've also run into people online who think the same thing as well. The problem is, these kinds of people have never had any kind of problem remotely like ours, so they can't posibly understand what we go through or why.

It's kind of like describing color to a man who's been blind his whole life, or for that matter describing blindness to someone who can see perfectly fine. It's not posible because they have no frame of reference.

The worst part about it is, people who think this stuff is "all in our head", think they know better because other than that, they perceive us as being "normal". They know nothing of neurology, and their observation is completely based on how they themselves react to stimuli.

People are unable to think the way we do, so they only know if something is offensive to us if we tell them that it is. I think if nothing else, you may wish to make clear, what was offensive and why. They won't understand a lot of it, but at least the effort is being made and they can actually see effort, and in turn they see the difficulty in expressing this sort of thing as well, if you have that kind of difficulty.

In any case, I wish you well.


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01 Aug 2013, 3:03 am

My other favorite is "everyone has that" to x-autism behavior, I got that last night at a gathering regarding my difficulties holding a conversation, typically I don't have conversations, its not like I don't know what a conversation is, I just don't know what to freaking talk about so I don't say anything at all.


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01 Aug 2013, 3:46 am

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She said, "That is all in your mind. You can convince yourself of anything. Like, if you tell yourself you have hypersensitivity, you'll feel hypersensitive."

Classic mentalism, equal parts libertarian Übermensch & liberal paganism. Her ignorance is all in her mind.


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01 Aug 2013, 7:06 am

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Now get a load of this: One of the things I'd mentioned when I first told her I have AS is my hypersensitivity. Recently we were discussing artificial sweeteners, and she said she likes Stevia. I said I don't use it, because I tried it once and it made my head feel full of tension. She said, "That is all in your mind. You can convince yourself of anything. Like, if you tell yourself you have hypersensitivity, you'll feel hypersensitive."


Someone saying something like that to me would make not eat or drink anything coming from them. That would make me worry that they would sneak whatever it was that I can't/won't eat into my food/drink just to try to prove their point that I'd have no reaction if I didn't know it was there. I've heard stories like this from people with food allergies.

I just thought of a good comeback to "it won't bother you if you don't know it's there." I could say "well then I guess if I made you food and spit in it that's fine too as long as you don't know it's there."

I tried to look up some example stories of that (I remember one of a person allergic to something like pecans and their own mother ground some up and put them in their birthday cake) but just found a forum topic where vegans with crummy relatives got meat snuck into their food, usually with a smug look from the sneaker and ridiculous claims of ignorance like saying "I didn't know there was meat in pork and beans". I'm not even vegetarian and don't want to be but that page made me upset.



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01 Aug 2013, 11:44 am

Jaden-

Awesome response.

Jaden wrote:
@OP:

My grandmother is that way. She honestly thinks that my AS is a lifestyle choice, despite people telling and showing her otherwise.
I've also run into people online who think the same thing as well. The problem is, these kinds of people have never had any kind of problem remotely like ours, so they can't posibly understand what we go through or why.

It's kind of like describing color to a man who's been blind his whole life, or for that matter describing blindness to someone who can see perfectly fine. It's not posible because they have no frame of reference.

The worst part about it is, people who think this stuff is "all in our head", think they know better because other than that, they perceive us as being "normal". They know nothing of neurology, and their observation is completely based on how they themselves react to stimuli.

People are unable to think the way we do, so they only know if something is offensive to us if we tell them that it is. I think if nothing else, you may wish to make clear, what was offensive and why. They won't understand a lot of it, but at least the effort is being made and they can actually see effort, and in turn they see the difficulty in expressing this sort of thing as well, if you have that kind of difficulty.

In any case, I wish you well.



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01 Aug 2013, 12:13 pm

GregCav wrote:
When I read the thread title I was like "Dur". It is all in the mind.

It's not completely of course, sensitivity issues with touch, smells, noise and such are external influences.

But the mind processes ALL information. So one could say truthfully that everything in the world is how the mind perceived it to be. Think colour blind people. The world IS, what you perceive it to be.

Unfortunately the woman you describe is not uncommon within society.
Well, yeah, of course it's all in my mind. What, is autism a condition of the liver now? :lol:

People don't seem to get that things that are in your mind are just as real as any other thing.

Even if you have hypochondria, that's a real problem. People with that problem are constantly worrying that they have a horrible disease, misinterpreting normal body signals or minor illness as signs of catastrophe. It can't be a pleasant experience, and making fun of them for it probably makes it worse. Seems like if you have hypochondria to the degree that you're diagnosing yourself with every mental disorder left and right, and living in fear of going crazy, you should be seeing a psychologist just to deal with that. Ironic, but there you go.


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01 Aug 2013, 3:08 pm

Plowed wrote:
Jaden-

Awesome response.



Thank you 8)


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02 Aug 2013, 6:33 am

If someone is unpleasant to you, then that's enough reason to distance. Whatever causes her to act in such an unfriendly, unpleasant, intolerant, controlling way is none of your business. As KOR said above: the best you can do about this person is make sure you don't waste any time or energy on her and use your resources for things / humans with better prospects.


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02 Aug 2013, 7:09 am

I guess my Asperger's is all in my mind, but so is my consciousness and everything I think and feel. This is basically just a phrase that people use to selectively tell other people to act more like a robot and less like a human in certain situations, because their human thoughts and feelings are stupid and irrational. People indirectly telling you that you should act more like a robot and less like a human, is kind of like them telling you that they wish your mind was dead and replaced with artificial intelligence, and if your mind is dead that technically means that you are dead, so technically they wish that you were dead, which is synonymous with hating you.



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02 Aug 2013, 7:53 am

Sharp :D


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02 Aug 2013, 7:57 am

Just respond to "It's all in your mind" with "Yes, as is all subjective experience". Done.

Color, an example brought up earlier in the thread, is also a figment of the mind. There is no such real thing as blue. That is simply how our minds interpret signals it receives, from sensors in our eyes that are activated by a fairly narrow band of frequencies of EMR. But blue isn't a thing. It is purely a subjective experience. Much the same goes for all the other senses, merely signals received and process "All in the mind" and converted therein into a complete, or somewhat complete, subjective experience of reality.

The pain someone feels if they get their arm torn off brutally would be 'all in the mind' too. But, no one says that to the guy screaming because his arm just got torn off. They'd be quickly identified as a cold heartless unfeeling a**hole if they did.

But to someone who cannot feel pain, how would you describe in terms they could even begin to process what pain is, why it should be avoided, why it causes so much misery... how could you explain to them that people experiencing chronic pain often slip into depression and sorrow? Or explain how someone could be so terrified to experience agonizing traumas? You can't. They'd have to possess a mighty powerful imagination to be able to follow wtf you were even talking about, and they'd never fully understand anyway unless they could experience it for themselves too.

Unimaginative people, those are the worst at this issue. They simply lack the capacity to imagine a subjective reality different from their own. I have a fairly adept imagination, and it isn’t possible for me to “actually” know what are people experience, though I can do a decent job simulating it, I’ll never “really” experience life like anyone else does, ever. But that is true for us all, really. We can imagine “possible” differences, and guess what those differences could mean, but it is an unknowable thing, the mind of another.