What is classic autism?

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How do you, personally, define "classic autism"

Autistic Disorder (DSM) or Childhood Autism (ICD)	33%	[ 16 ]
LFA	21%	[ 10 ]
Severe autism at any level of functioning	17%	[ 8 ]
Some of the above.	6%	[ 3 ]
All of the above.	4%	[ 2 ]
I don't know how to define it, there are too many definitions out there.	15%	[ 7 ]
Other.	4%	[ 2 ]

Total votes : 48

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06 Aug 2013, 1:33 pm

naturalplastic wrote:

I think it means the pre-1980 kinda autism that used electric guitars and real drums, as opposed to 'modern autism' that employs synthesizers, and drum machines!

Hehe. Best definition ever!

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06 Aug 2013, 2:10 pm

KingdomOfRats wrote:

autistic disorder is far to confusing,all ASDs are autistic disorders so how can they formaly label one group with it and exclude the rest? am not sure of the word for it,but it always feels like saying the rest of the spectrum are not autistic enough to be labled autistic.

I agree, it's confusing. It's like hearing someone say "the difference between asperger's and autism"....how can asperger's be autism and not-autism at the same time -- my brain doesn't handle that well. I see what you mean about the "not autistic enough" part of the labels (well...the old labels, as far as the DSM goes).

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06 Aug 2013, 2:12 pm

Callista wrote:

I think of it as the autism that Kanner first described--speech delay or odd speech, communication difficulty, restricted/repetitive behavior, to a degree that can't be explained by a general developmental delay, or in the absence of a developmental delay at all. The best modern definition would just be Autistic Disorder.

btbnnyr wrote:

What Kanner described, yep.

Is there any difference between Autistic Disorder and Kanner's autism? Maybe I should have put "Kanner's autism" in as a poll option? I didn't because I figured they were the same thing.

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06 Aug 2013, 2:14 pm

naturalplastic wrote:

How can you have "severe autism at any level of functioning".

If you're 'severe' than you're at a low level of functioning. If you're at a high level of functioning than you're not severe.

I think it's less clear than that....what Callista wrote is a better explanation than I could give you about why, though.

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06 Aug 2013, 2:40 pm

naturalplastic wrote:

I think it means the pre-1980 kinda autism that used electric guitars and real drums, as opposed to 'modern autism' that employs synthesizers, and drum machines!

Is that because autists rock? :jester:

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06 Aug 2013, 2:46 pm

nominalist wrote:

In the U.S., there is now just ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder). All the categories of Autism have been replaced by a multidimensional definition. Most of the rest of the world (the ICD-11) may soon follow.

I like the new ASD label better. It all gets veeery confusing with the DSM-IV labels, especially when people start to bring in functioning labels and stereotypes. But people still use the old labels and all the same old qualifiers (and probably will for a long time) so I'm still curious about what people mean when they say "classic autism".

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06 Aug 2013, 2:46 pm

Not Aspergers, i.e. at least some form of linguistic delay.

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18 Dec 2013, 11:49 pm

animalcrackers wrote:

If you, person reading this post, say/write "classic autism" what do you mean?

autistic disorder and 'severe autism with any level of functioning'. Before I knew how varied classic autism was, I thought of severe autism.

Edit:HFA can be severe or in-between, depending on several mentioned ideas.

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19 Dec 2013, 12:15 am

Kanner's paper: classic autism, from LFA to HFA
Asperger's paper: Asperger's

Naturally, overlap between the two.

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19 Dec 2013, 12:18 am

nonverbal people with autism that stim to work through stress more than someone with high functioning autism, if i didnt talk, i would have classic autism, but since i can talk, i dont get frustrated and have meltdowns often, Temple Grandin was diagnosed with severe autism when she was younger but now she only seems high functioning.

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19 Dec 2013, 1:08 am

ZombieBrideXD wrote:

if i didnt talk, i would have classic autism

Depends what you mean, many with classic autism can talk:

approximate speech,
minimally verbal, partially verbal,
frequent echolalia or
varied amount of echolalia,
fluent speech but may mix pronouns or
may be unable to intiate or sustain a conversation.

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19 Dec 2013, 4:35 am

animalcrackers wrote:

If you, person reading this post, say/write "classic autism" what do you mean?

If you hear/read "classic autism" what do you think it means?

Childhood autism, infantile autism, LFA.

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19 Dec 2013, 2:20 pm

naturalplastic wrote:

I think it means the pre-1980 kinda autism that used electric guitars and real drums, as opposed to 'modern autism' that employs synthesizers, and drum machines!

This is funny but also my definition which is autism as understood between the 1940's through the 1970's s and to a certain extent the 1980's

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