Why is there no discussion about curing NT Bigotry?

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well i'd have to say, most..i've come across a few nt's in my life that were very nice..at least to me they were

Some of the neurotic ones are nice. Most are just lizards in disguise...

Do some of you really feel like all NTs are bad people? Just wondering, since I'm an NT, and I hope that my kids don't grow up to hate me.

I will say that age has something to do with it, fwiw. I hope this doesn't offend, but many, if not most young NTs are completely self absorbed, superficial, and obnoxious. Most develop greater empathy in their late teens, early 20s, and become more tolerable, and eventually, many become kind and compassionate people. Some, of course, never evolve to this point, but I think you'll find that as you age out of high school, make your way through college and into adult life, you'll find that your same age peers will become less ostracizing and more accepting of those of you who are "different".

Of course, if the folks proclaiming that all NTs are bad are in their 40s or something, than I guess my assessment is pretty meaningless!

FOr all kids who have trouble socially, I would just say hang on through high school - it gets better in college, and if you can find a profession that you're intellectually well suited for, you may find that your collegues are among the most agreeable folks you'll ever know - NT or otherwise.

**deleting rambling anecdote**

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The often constant abuse that many of us suffered, particularly in adolescence and young adultholld, is a real factor here. That doesn't make it rational, perhaps, but it makes it real.

He was elected Chancellor of Germany in a popular election and led his country by manipulating the already hateful perspective of an economically depressed society into a common, terrible goal.

Do you honestly believe that someone who was not good at reading other people could do that?

Of course, he was NT. He surely was not autistic, at any rate.

That's not to say that all NT's are evil. But you certainly can be NT and evil.

I'm wracking my brain, trying to think of someone who was Autistic and evil ???

Ed Geines ???

Litguy,

I understand what you're saying. Trust me, though, things get better with age. I don't know how old you are, and though you'd probably still find much odious "NT" behavior at your average bar or construction site, I'm sure that you can find NTs who are quite accepting of you and would treat you respectfully, not try to change or cure you, or whatever, if you could accept that some of your tormentors early in life, most of them probably, are different people now and probably feel awful about some of the things that they did to you.

Kids are mean, no doubt. It's because they haven't yet developed their empathy to its fullest, and because they're extremely sensitive to conformity (even if they're conforming to a standard of non-comformity, if you know what I mean) and are very senstitive about their image and about how others perceive them, and most of them are extemely insecure. That said, you can find kind kids even in high schools. I was one, so I know - I never bullied anyone, and would often intervene when I saw this sort of behavior. Didn't any kid ever stick up for you when you were young? Some kids are active bulliers. The majority are not, but won't intervene because they don't want to look like the give a sh!t. A small minority are actually kind, and will intervene to stop bullying in their presence. The ratio of good vs. indifferent vs. bad trends towards the postive as kids grow into adults and as adults approach full maturity, but there's always some number of bad and indifferent people to spoil the fun.

Anyway, I'm sure most of you folks could care less what an NT like myself has to say about the situation!

The people in my family seem pretty nice and they are all NTs. NTs seem to get along with each other. I think there is an issue of personal perspective here. Just because we personally have social difficulty with them doesn't make them mean. Heck, I have social difficulty with other Aspies sometimes.

I am sure there are mean Aspies too.

Mean ?? Possibly. Evil ?? No way...

The topic says a discussion about NT bigotry. I didnt specify all NT's - I'm sure I meant only NT bigots.

Its juts like the bullying boss who I used to work for. He would take me to one side and complain about sentences I had used, where I had not even meant anything. And build these little episodes up into major complaints by which he would then have 'enough power' (those commas again) to really clobber me. How boring and how tiresome! I think you are doing the same, you're just lucky we havent got the minds to work these things in the same way as you in developing loaded language weaponry.

roger, did your boss know that you had AS?

No, but things like that (many things of course not just the one thing) happened with too much regularity caused the few friends I had to become very concerned for my welfare, and it was from there that the road to diagonising my AS began

right - One thing you have to keep in mind is that most NTs aren't aware that something like AS even exists. It's very likely that your boss thought that you were being deliberately obnoxious, arrogant, whatever. If he were aware that you were AS (or, if he had awareness of AS at all), he might have considered that some of the social gaffes or impertinent statements that you made were not intended as they were perceived. It probably would have chanced the whole dynamic, actually.

I don't think there's so much NT bigorty against AS folks. I think it's more that NT folks aren't aware of AS or HFA, and mis-interpret some of the awkward social behavior.

I used to work with a guy who I resented for a long time because when I tried to talk with him, he wouldn't even look in my direction, nevermind engage in small talk. I interpreted this behavior as arrogance and thought the guy was a jerk. Many of my collegues thought the same (this guy was a good engineer, and we admired his code, and sometimes wanted to talk with the guy).

In retrospect, knowing what I know now, the guy was probably autistic.

I am going to answer the title of this thread in my opinion.

Why do we not talk curing NT bigotry? Well, because then, in some manner we would be displaying bigotry ourselves and stooping to their level in the process (yes I know, we would be bigots against bigots, but they don't see themselves as bigots unfortunately, they see themselves as perfect). Not all NT's are like this either. So by talking about 'curing' NT bigotry, we are then further ostracising ourselves from others and simply adding fuel to the fire of the bigots. For those of us who, like myself, don't want to be 'cured' from AS, where would that get us? It would just dig a deeper hole and make us look like psychos (you know what people are like, especially bigots) when we are not.

This IMHO is what I think would happen. It would not help our case of raising awareness of ASD's properly, nor do I think it would be a step in the right direction to get acceptance from everyone. The bigotry would continue and probably worsen.

What's the point of referring to a NT as a bigot. Most NT's don't know what aspergers is or even give a s**t about whether or not you have aspergers or not.