Another perspective on murder-suicide of the disabled

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09 Oct 2013, 7:51 pm

The thing about these situations is that the lack of support that is often invoked to justify the murders of disabled children is that it is typically a lie. There was support. In some cases, parents actually declined support before killing their children.

It's just another attempt to make excuses and shift blame from the murderers.



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09 Oct 2013, 8:04 pm

Those who murder their children usually are actually people who've been offered a large amount of support, but have most strongly bought into the idea that if the person is not normal the life isn't worth living. Even in the case of murder-suicides.



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09 Oct 2013, 9:11 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Opi wrote:
i think the concepts "left" and "right" wing are just labels used to polarise society, distract people from what's going on, and make careers at this point. i don't know anyone who clearly falls into one camp or the other, although out of fear and displeasure many have aligned themselves with one or the other party. I think this is a terrible mistake. We are being manipulated into seeing each other as the enemy, while the true enemies of the people accrue more and more money and control over all of us. anything more would be a marxist rant on my part.

IOW we are all as manipulated puppets being set against one another by invisible puppetmasters in echelons beyond reality? I can understand that. we need to pay attention to the man behind the curtain. :idea:


where do you come up with this stuff? I swear you should write a book. I'll help you self publish it, we can make a million dollars! :D



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09 Oct 2013, 9:21 pm

wozeree wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
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i think the concepts "left" and "right" wing are just labels used to polarise society, distract people from what's going on, and make careers at this point. i don't know anyone who clearly falls into one camp or the other, although out of fear and displeasure many have aligned themselves with one or the other party. I think this is a terrible mistake. We are being manipulated into seeing each other as the enemy, while the true enemies of the people accrue more and more money and control over all of us. anything more would be a marxist rant on my part.

IOW we are all as manipulated puppets being set against one another by invisible puppetmasters in echelons beyond reality? I can understand that. we need to pay attention to the man behind the curtain. :idea:


where do you come up with this stuff? I swear you should write a book. I'll help you self publish it, we can make a million dollars! :D

thank you :) but Opi is the real talent here :wtg:



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09 Oct 2013, 9:27 pm

I think Opi has a many cool things to say too, including the post above. Maybe we should really do that. Have an Autism Wisdom book. That would be neat. And that would be a good way to start educating people about Autism people. There are lots of artists and musicians here too. All we need is a gimmicky title, like The 400 Autistic People You Meet in Heaven, My Mondays with Autism, The Autism Code, 50 Shades of Autism (or something like that)!

We could address this issue of parents/children, as well has hf/lf. Who better than us?



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09 Oct 2013, 9:29 pm

wozeree wrote:
I think Opi has a many cool things to say too, including the post above. Maybe we should really do that. Have an Autism Wisdom book. That would be neat. And that would be a good way to start educating people about Autism people. There are lots of artists and musicians here too. All we need is a gimmicky title, like The 400 Autistic People You Meet in Heaven, My Mondays with Autism, The Autism Code, 50 Shades of Autism (or something like that)!We could address this issue of parents/children, as well has hf/lf. Who better than us?

maybe figure out how to get oprah involved?



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09 Oct 2013, 9:32 pm

Oh yeah! Oprah!



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09 Oct 2013, 9:33 pm

their is a war between nt's and aspies right now... some have joined the dark side and some are on the good side... the world is dominated with dumbed down racist neurotypicals who don't care.



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09 Oct 2013, 9:38 pm

hell, there is a war between ASPIES right now! a disturbingly large portion of the high-functioning ones against their lower-functioning brethren, mostly one-sided. I do what I can to fight back.



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10 Oct 2013, 12:32 am

Because of Issys' well documented history of extreme violence, if Kelly had wanted to murder her daughter to get rid her she could have smashed Issys' head in with a household object and claimed self defense. She would have gotten away with it. So many believe that for Kelly to attempt to take her childs' life that she must have considered issy "less than."I don't see that at all.

From what I can glean. Kelly reached a hopelessness as far as being capable of taking care of her child. I would surmise that Kelly did not attempt to take her child's life because she felt Issy was 'less than" as much as she worried, with good reason, that others would feel and treat her daughter that way.

i still believe that the family needed more support. They are not going to get more from our government, in fact, most likely over time even less.
We, as autistics need to start taking care of our own. That is one reason I am so big on housing clusters. That is why, other than encouraging local autistic retreats, the number one discussion at the retreat will be pertaining to just that.

Today was one of those days that I take that one little extra pill [ I already take 17] that turns my already jello brain into a thin. runny mush. So, I know what I am trying to post, and I apologize if this makes no sense to you.



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10 Oct 2013, 12:33 am

gee, if you don't mind, what kind of pill is that?



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10 Oct 2013, 12:38 am

it's an oral chemotherapy.



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10 Oct 2013, 12:40 am

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10 Oct 2013, 1:36 am

vickygleitz wrote:
Because of Issys' well documented history of extreme violence, if Kelly had wanted to murder her daughter to get rid her she could have smashed Issys' head in with a household object and claimed self defense. She would have gotten away with it. So many believe that for Kelly to attempt to take her childs' life that she must have considered issy "less than."I don't see that at all.

From what I can glean. Kelly reached a hopelessness as far as being capable of taking care of her child. I would surmise that Kelly did not attempt to take her child's life because she felt Issy was 'less than" as much as she worried, with good reason, that others would feel and treat her daughter that way.


No, what she wrote on her blog made it kind of obvious, that she did think that.

But it's not just about her, it's about the message that the media loves to attach to incidents like this, that tell people that autistic children are not worth as much as other children. Stories about this go over how hard it is to have autistic children and the comments go on about how "less-than" autistic children are, and the attitudes get reinforced and copycats may appear.

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i still believe that the family needed more support. They are not going to get more from our government, in fact, most likely over time even less.


From what I had they had a lot of support. Support is the narrative used to justify murder attempts. It's the thing people bring up to make excuses for parents who try to murder their disabled children. It is most often not true.