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16 Oct 2013, 10:20 pm

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I don't actually think the spline theory describes everything sensory-wise, sensory-overload, and such.

Part of my complaints were actually saying "I think you can take the same idea and polish it, and take little bits of it and clean it up".

I am not reading it write now, but when I read it, I could tell certain parts that felt like it was flowing more naturally to you, and other parts that seemed like you were forcing it more. I think if you worked it out, and went through it again, it could be worked out into something cleaner, with the same main ideas as it is now, but polished up and made more accessible.

And for people who don't want it, we can give them the spoon theory, still, yep. But I think it might be worth the time to polish it still. It's a question if you think its worth the time.


Ah, I see your point about sensory overload. I haven't had much sense overload since I thought this up, so I haven't had any insights there. I imagine sensory perceptions as being part of the spline collection process, though splines must be reticulated as they're brought in (through the eyes and ears and skin and nose) and stored. They have to be sorted and properly filed, irrelevant splines hopefully discarded. When there is too much of that sensory input or if reticulating can't process it quickly enough, there are problems like frustration, meltdown, and shutdown.

I am also still reading Bogdashina's books, and it's her information about neurology that has sparked alot of these thoughts. I'm sure once I'm done consuming those splines, the remaining pieces will fit. :)


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17 Oct 2013, 5:02 am

The way I've explained sensory overload in the spoon theory is that loud noises, bright lights, flashing lights, etc. steal all my spoons.



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17 Oct 2013, 6:01 am

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The way I've explained sensory overload in the spoon theory is that loud noises, bright lights, flashing lights, etc. steal all my spoons.


.....and somebody has hidden the key to the locked cutlery drawer!


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17 Oct 2013, 12:34 pm

Wow. Reading that article was timely for me.

I was in the process of applying for the Affordable Care act by phone with the help of a navigator yesterday. She had helped me fill in a paper application before I began so I would have all of the information in front of me, or so we thought. The man on the line began asking questions we had not prepared for. I couldn't quickly grasp the full implications of replying one way or the other. The things he was saying became fragmented in my mind, as if his sentences had been cut apart and pieces of them were reaching my brain at different rates and had to be pieced together. I began stuttering and became tearful. The navigator was great and took over for me as soon as she saw me floundering and even offered to let me retire to a quite place for a few minutes to regain my composure before we continued.

The whole process rather left me feeling humiliated, as I've held down jobs that required thinking fast while on the phone with clients. All of the way home I was asking myself what went wrong in this particular situation that had me melting down so quickly and unexpectedly. It makes sense to examine the fact that at work, I was the knowledgeable one in the conversation, in the groove of a familiar process and armed with scripts. In this case, there was no way for me to be fully prepared. I was already frustrated, intimidated and feeling vulnerable as the conversation began. I simply could not download the full framework needed for this task in the time allowed.



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17 Oct 2013, 12:38 pm

re above: not to mention there was a clock loudly ticking on my left and a copy machine inexplicably creaking and groaning like a ship's rigging on my right. :?



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17 Oct 2013, 1:44 pm

I liked it. I found spoon theory useful when I first read of it, but way too simple. The "changing mental gears" part is a very real problem I run into, it takes me some time and effort to move from doing one activity to another, and sometimes that effort leads to me procrastinating so I don't have to do it (but once I get on a roll, I stay on a roll) I'll be keeping that article in mind.


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17 Oct 2013, 1:46 pm

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Wow. Reading that article was timely for me.

I was in the process of applying for the Affordable Care act by phone with the help of a navigator yesterday. She had helped me fill in a paper application before I began so I would have all of the information in front of me, or so we thought. The man on the line began asking questions we had not prepared for. I couldn't quickly grasp the full implications of replying one way or the other. The things he was saying became fragmented in my mind, as if his sentences had been cut apart and pieces of them were reaching my brain at different rates and had to be pieced together. I began stuttering and became tearful. The navigator was great and took over for me as soon as she saw me floundering and even offered to let me retire to a quite place for a few minutes to regain my composure before we continued.

The whole process rather left me feeling humiliated, as I've held down jobs that required thinking fast while on the phone with clients. All of the way home I was asking myself what went wrong in this particular situation that had me melting down so quickly and unexpectedly. It makes sense to examine the fact that at work, I was the knowledgeable one in the conversation, in the groove of a familiar process and armed with scripts. In this case, there was no way for me to be fully prepared. I was already frustrated, intimidated and feeling vulnerable as the conversation began. I simply could not download the full framework needed for this task in the time allowed.


This happened to me the other day when I was trying to fill out forms to renew my state benefits last week. I finally took them in and said "I can't do this." The guy says "These are the same forms you fill out every year" and I had to point out I've had help every year and last year I got them so wrong I nearly lost my benefits.

I also worked telephone customer support for a cable company. In this case, I had scripts to tell me what to say, how to help the customer. The process was the same every time and if the customer wanted to break from the script, I had ways to deal with it. Open ended stuff like filling out paperwork or telephone interviews are so much different. I mean, I relate to what you wrote.



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17 Oct 2013, 3:25 pm

I'd never heard of the spoon theory, but I can relate to that, though the reticulated splines theory does seem to fit me much more.



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17 Oct 2013, 10:55 pm

Tuttle wrote:
I don't actually think the spline theory describes everything sensory-wise, sensory-overload, and such.

Part of my complaints were actually saying "I think you can take the same idea and polish it, and take little bits of it and clean it up".

I am not reading it write now, but when I read it, I could tell certain parts that felt like it was flowing more naturally to you, and other parts that seemed like you were forcing it more. I think if you worked it out, and went through it again, it could be worked out into something cleaner, with the same main ideas as it is now, but polished up and made more accessible.

And for people who don't want it, we can give them the spoon theory, still, yep. But I think it might be worth the time to polish it still. It's a question if you think its worth the time.


This works for people who shutdown on sensory overload:
When you attempt to run too many things on a computer at he same time, or even one thing that is too much, the computer runs slow, or even freezes. That is part of what happens with me during sensory overload. My brain slows down or even comes very close to freezing. just like restarting a computer can help, I need to restart my brain by getting away from as much sensory input as possible, and resting.

I often say that my brain doesn't have enough "RAM" :) and so can only handle one "program" at a time. That works for both sensory overload and switching tasks. Though, if someone doesn't know computers, you will have to explain RAM.


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18 Oct 2013, 12:27 am

I love the new ways people are finding to apply the metaphor to themselves. I love the computer running slow or freezing angle as a description of a shutdown or meltdown. Someone on twitter today was talking about not being able to just Alt-Tab, and I pointed out I can alt-tab as long as it's quickly, to a small program that doesn't require re-rendering.

Someone else was saying they couldn't multitask, and I remembered how Windows computers of olden times didn't technically multitask -- they multithreaded, meaning that technically only one thing was processing at once, but it made it look like things were all going on at a time by managing multiple threads and using swap files and memory buffers.

Another interesting piece of feedback: Two people on Twitter who could relate said they had ADHD DXes, but not Aspergers. So either they are misdiagnosed, or they have autism *and* ADHD, or there are similarities in autistic and ADHD brains. I also had an ADHD diagnosis prior to this year. So I don't know the real answer, but it's interesting to think about.


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18 Oct 2013, 12:35 am

Post is a bit long, so I'll have to read it over the weekend to give myself time to absorb it.

I just wanted to say the artist who made that picture of reticulating splines, captures very well my mind when I'm trying to get to sleep. Very well done.



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18 Oct 2013, 7:21 am

Here is a post from a few years ago where people are discussing the spoon theory and other analogies:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt73361.html
I particularly like the glass of water analogy that AngelUndercover uses.

AngelUndercover wrote:

The analogy I tend to use is a glass of water. Some things (reading, stimming, time alone, etc.) refill the glass, while others (anything that requires mental energy) drain some water out of it. Something like figuring out what to make for dinner drains a tiny bit of water; something like going to a party drains a whole lot. If I run out of water, I have a meltdown, and need to do something to refill the glass a bit before I do anything else taxing (lest I have another meltdown). And some things refill it faster than others.


This pretty much describes how I get social meltdowns. At the moment I am struggling with wanting to go out tonight as my glass of water this week has been used up on speaking to people on the phone trying to sort out getting my kitchen finished by Ikea (I have been without a kitchen for 5 weeks) so tonight going out to a night of my favourite music with my friends would usually replenish that water, but my ex who is hell bent on making me feel awkward will be there and I haven't the energy left to deal with it after an already stressful week :(



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18 Oct 2013, 4:17 pm

You describe well the mental process of loading and unloading "stuff" into memory in order to do, or undo jobs.

I find your descriptions work well without the words reticulating or spline. Because these are foreign words with an unfamiliar meaning, they are therefore not recognised as meaningful. I guess it's a sub-routine I haven’t yet written to process and understand that datum. I find the words distract rather than aid in understanding.


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I need room in my brain to unpack all the details about fairies and my characters and writing fiction. I'd no longer have room for the topic "mind control" and the task "non-fiction writing". The files would have to be stored away.


I work in engineering doing civil design. It's not unusual for my manager to give me an urgent project which supersedes my current project. I've never considered the process of change tasks before, but I have considered how I have to pack my thoughts into a box to preserve them for the old task, in order to be able to come back to this task in the future, unpack my thoughts and continue where I left off.

For me, I would use a small cramped office room as my metaphor. This is my work space; it contains everything I need for one project. Everything is within reach with memories of countless things stacked against the wall.

When I need to change projects, I don't just need to unload from my mind the current project. I also need to preserve my current thoughts on what I'm doing, where I'm at with it, and what I have to do next. I've got this down pretty efficiently these days. I can change projects within 1 to 5 minutes. I shuffle things on my desk and grab a glass of water as cover, but I'm downloading my mind and memories into a project box. Emptying the room as it were. Then I can start to unpack my next (or older project) into the room and start sifting through my memories for this project.



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18 Oct 2013, 8:14 pm

Small cramped office room is also a good metaphor for switching tasks, but reticulating splines is fun to say and visualize and it fits in so well with spoon theory.



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19 Oct 2013, 12:12 am

Every time I see this thread I think of The Sims 2 starting up. I never knew what that actually meant.



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21 Oct 2013, 7:25 pm

Maxis started business with Sim-Ant. Which was very popular. According to wiki, they ported the original Sim-city from the commodor 64 platform. I loved Sim-city. I've got a freeware copy but someone has changed a couple things and it just doesn't feel the same. I would love to find a true copy of the original.

I always thought, and am still leaning toward, the explanation that reticulating splines is applying the river or shoreline spline curve function to the land terrain. I looked up the word reticulating and it doesn't fit my description, but its stuck in my head now as having that meaning. Which is probably the main reason Spoons or Rooms makes more sense to me than reticulating splines.