Can people with Aspergers have a Learning Disability?

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AlexWelshman
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20 Oct 2013, 8:53 am

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In my country Aspergers is still a diagnoses.



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20 Oct 2013, 8:58 am

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20 Oct 2013, 8:58 am

The term "learning disability" means something differnt in fact how many have already pointed out:

"While learning disability, learning disorder and learning difficulty are often used interchangeably, they differ in many ways. Learning disability refers to significant learning problems in an academic area. These problems, however, are not enough to warrant an official diagnosis. Learning disorder, on the other hand, is an official clinical diagnosis, whereby the individual meets certain criteria, as determined by a professional (psychologist, pediatrician, etc.) The difference is in degree, frequency, and intensity of reported symptoms and problems, and thus the two should not be confused. When the term "learning disabilities" is used, it describes a group of disorders characterized by inadequate development of specific academic, language, and speech skills. Types of learning disabilities include reading disability (dyslexia), mathematics disability (dyscalculia) and writing disability (dysgraphia)."

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20 Oct 2013, 9:02 am

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I'm not here to debate on what everyone classes as a 'Learning Disability'. In my country Learning Disability means the same as Mental Retardation. MR isn't really a term I like to use, because I feel it can be insulting, so when I ask for answers, MR is what i mean, & that's what I want to know people's thoughts on.



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20 Oct 2013, 9:06 am

AlexWelshman wrote:
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I'm not here to debate on what everyone classes as a 'Learning Disability'. In my country Learning Disability means the same as Mental Retardation. MR isn't really a term I like to use, because I feel it can be insulting, so when I ask for answers, MR is what i mean, & that's what I want to know people's thoughts on.


It's the officiall definition the DSM and also the ICD-10 uses.
If you don't want to use "mental retardation" you can use: Intellectual disability (ID) or general learning disability.
General learning disability is not the same as learning disability eventhough they sound similar. In a learning disability you usually just have difficulties in one (or more) areas, but not necesserily in all areas.


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20 Oct 2013, 9:11 am

Whatever! Intellectual disability then fine.



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20 Oct 2013, 9:27 am

If you're "mildly" autistic and intellectualy disabled, PDD-NOS would be more appropriate than Asperger's syndrome.



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20 Oct 2013, 2:43 pm

learning disability has a different meaning in the us, in the us its a blanket term for things like dyslexia
really low IQ does not really mean anything all it shows is that you can take test good



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20 Oct 2013, 2:47 pm

AlexWelshman wrote:
A lot of those of you in America would describe those with an IQ lower than 70 has having Mental Retardation. However, we in the UK call it Learning Disability.


People who are up on current stuff actually know it's currently called "intellectual disability," and understand that the term you used is rather frequently used as a slur against developmentally disabled people. It is on its way out as a clinical term and really shouldn't be presented as if the usage you described is current or accepted.



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20 Oct 2013, 2:49 pm

i have autism, and learning difficulty with it. i have had a proper iq test a few years ago and my iq is 85.



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20 Oct 2013, 4:02 pm

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Yes.. I get that now! It's been told to me loads.
No offense to anyone, but I'm getting tired of reading coments like "Learning Disability doesn't have the same meaning in the USA", or "you don't have to have a low IQ to have it". As I said, I'm specificly talking about Intilectual Disabilities, & that's the question I want answering. Maybe I shouldn't have put 'Learning Disability' in the title, but I get the point now. I don't need this to go into a huge debate as to what a Learing Disability is. I just want to know your thoughts on my question. Pretend I said 'Mental Retardation if you wish.



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20 Oct 2013, 4:05 pm

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My IQ is 81 apparently, but the Psyciatrist that tested me thought that my actual intelegence was higher than that, but some of my difficulties (i.e processing speed) brought it down.



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20 Oct 2013, 4:15 pm

AlexWelshman wrote:
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Yes.. I get that now! It's been told to me loads.
No offense to anyone, but I'm getting tired of reading coments like "Learning Disability doesn't have the same meaning in the USA", or "you don't have to have a low IQ to have it". As I said, I'm specificly talking about Intilectual Disabilities, & that's the question I want answering. Maybe I shouldn't have put 'Learning Disability' in the title, but I get the point now. I don't need this to go into a huge debate as to what a Learing Disability is. I just want to know your thoughts on my question. Pretend I said 'Mental Retardation if you wish.


I honestly don't know why they call it that in the U.K, it must make things so confusing. If they don't want to use the term mentally ret*d they should at least say global intellectual disability as it's much more specific. Learning disabled should be a reserved term for those with average intelligence and specific learning deficits.



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20 Oct 2013, 4:37 pm

my IQ by a verbal test...came out at 77. it was written once that because of the discrepancy, the full scale may not be accurate.


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20 Oct 2013, 4:49 pm

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I do agree that it can be very complicated. KI think specific difficulties like dyslexia are classed as having a learning difficulty, but in the UK a Learning 'Disability' is Globel.



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20 Oct 2013, 10:49 pm

Just for clarification, in the States learning disabilities or LD have average IQ or higher. Many can also be gifted. I would suspect it could co-exist with Aspergers or other autism disorders. LD typically have areas they excel in ie 90th percentile when tested. Ironically, to me anyway, both are processing disorders.

Note, many LD people go on to college or business and lead successful lives. For example, I have LD and have a Master's degree. I strongly suspect I am on the autism range based on behaviors and early history too.

I call this out as I have seen comments on this site which imply a misunderstanding of what LD is in fact.

"United States and Canada

In the United States and Canada, the terms learning disability and learning disorder (LD) refer to a group of disorders that affect a broad range of academic and functional skills including the ability to speak, listen, read, write, spell, reason, organize information, and do math. A person's IQ must be average or above to have a learning disability or learning disorder."

"The federal government, along with many special educators, uses the term specific learning disabilities—a helpful reminder that giving a child the label “learning disability” does not help unless we can specify the condition more exactly. At least six categories of learning disabilities have been identified:"

"Auditory-language. An auditory-language difficulty is a perceptual problem in which a child may take a long time to comprehend or follow directions. The student with an auditory learning disability is physically able to hear, but “hears” in a different way. Click here to lear about LD and ELL

Visual-spatial. Some visual-spatial disorders involve an inability to understand color or see a difference between the foreground and the background. A student may also have trouble visualizing directions in space, and this can significantly affect the ability to learn to read. For example, the letters b, d, p, and q are all formed in essentially the same way. Those who lack a sense of spatial relationships and directionality are unable to tell these letters apart.

Motor-related. A child with motor-related learning disabilities has difficulty with either fine or gross motor coordination or both. The student is unable to perform isolated, coordinated movements. This problem is evident in many settings—in the classroom, on the playground, at home, and elsewhere. In using technology, the child can have difficulty with handwriting, keyboards, and mouse control.

Organizational. A student with an organizational learning disability may have trouble locating the beginning, middle, or end of an assignment. Drafting an outline is difficult because the child cannot narrow down and organize information. Such weaknesses make it difficult or impossible for the student to assemble materials for papers or for oral presentations.

Academic difficulty. An example of academic difficulty is a student in math class who has problems with order and placement of numbers or who switches processes, such as long division and multiplication. Another example is a history student who has difficulty with the concept of time and cannot understand the order of events in relation to their dates of occurrence. Academic-specific learning disabilities are common among students with learning disabilities.[u] Special education teachers often see students who are, for instance, gifted in mathematical calculation and reasoning but have significant deficits in written language and spelling.
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Social skills disorders. The student with a social skills disorder has trouble with skills such as taking turns and understanding how to effectively interpret facial expressions. Such children are unable to perform social activities consistent with their chronological age and intelligence. Although social skills are not typically seen as being within the realm of the classroom teacher, these difficulties can significantly impair a child’s ability to succeed in the classroom."

"Dyslexia - A very real Reading Disability

Specific examples of Social Skill Disorders

Dyscalculia - The Math Disability


Sensory Integration Dysfunction"

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In the UK I have seen studies linking LD with autism:

Example:

http://www.autism.org.uk/about-autism/r ... ities.aspx

http://www.icare4autism.org/news/2012/0 ... nd-autism/


Whether they mean the US/ Canada definition I am not sure.


General LD Info:

http://thehealthscience.com/wiki/Learning-Disabilities

http://sped.wikidot.com/learning-disabilities

http://www.ldonline.org/xarbb/?catid=769

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_disability