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04 Feb 2007, 9:50 pm

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I contend that the DSM IV definition of AS is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! Because it's all about what THEY see, it's about observation. It's NOT about how it is to actually experience AS. Any 'scientific' observation can be skewed according to the predisposition and prejudices of the observer (no matter how many letters s/he has after his/her name). Heisenberg showed this conclusively!

Thus, the DSM IV et al are meaningless in the real world. The fact that we all know MANY AS females is a case in point: H Asperger worked ONLY with little boys; little boys are the ones who are noisiest, most obvious - little girls present in quite a different way. But hey, just like almost everything else in 'science', it's heavily skewed towards 'Male-as-definitive' version. (Not that I'm a feminist by any stretch of the imagination - just being realistic here).


THIS is y i have had so much difficulty in understanding Asperger's, and THIS is y i have had so much confusion as to whether i really fit the definition. I tried to understand it from the psychiatrists point of view, bc i THOUGHT that would be the most analytical and most accurate way to explore whether i have Asperger's. But there has been so much conflict over the DSM definition and the way i see things. It didn't make sense in comparison to what i see on these boards.


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05 Feb 2007, 7:49 am

jnet wrote:
AmbientRainbow wrote:
I contend that the DSM IV definition of AS is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! Because it's all about what THEY see, it's about observation. It's NOT about how it is to actually experience AS. Any 'scientific' observation can be skewed according to the predisposition and prejudices of the observer (no matter how many letters s/he has after his/her name). Heisenberg showed this conclusively!

Thus, the DSM IV et al are meaningless in the real world. The fact that we all know MANY AS females is a case in point: H Asperger worked ONLY with little boys; little boys are the ones who are noisiest, most obvious - little girls present in quite a different way. But hey, just like almost everything else in 'science', it's heavily skewed towards 'Male-as-definitive' version. (Not that I'm a feminist by any stretch of the imagination - just being realistic here).


THIS is y i have had so much difficulty in understanding Asperger's, and THIS is y i have had so much confusion as to whether i really fit the definition. I tried to understand it from the psychiatrists point of view, bc i THOUGHT that would be the most analytical and most accurate way to explore whether i have Asperger's. But there has been so much conflict over the DSM definition and the way i see things. It didn't make sense in comparison to what i see on these boards.


Creatures are black boxes. They do the SAME with depression, and males! LUCKILY, with people, they COULD ask! They simply DON'T! If you look at the DSM, I think some things could be clearer, but it is right. I AM, or at least appear, like that. Yet you have to ASK! Sometimes, if I am sitting alone, or even in a meeting, I will shake my head. DOes that mean I was showing my agreement or dismissal of what was said? Maybe NOT! Sometimes I am referring to what I am thinking about. You won't know why, unless you ASK! BTW a NO might simply be my rotating my neck to make sure it is fine.(I have a bad back).

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05 Feb 2007, 1:05 pm

snake321 wrote:
I agree with en una isla, I am far MORE empathetic than most NTs, I just don't show it in a way that they wanna understand.


I too... 8)


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05 Feb 2007, 1:34 pm

aspie women display differently to males, they can hide it better...but as they are better able to adapt to social surroundings but a lot of women who are bulimic and anorexic tend to be aspies and the symptoms of bulimia and anorexia are treated but the cause of aspiness is often left unindentified.



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05 Feb 2007, 1:48 pm

Oh, I love these threads. These threads discuss how "generalizing" people sucks, yet, there are 2 marijuana threads in THIS forum doing JUST that.



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05 Feb 2007, 2:35 pm

donkey wrote:
aspie women display differently to males, they can hide it better...but as they are better able to adapt to social surroundings but a lot of women who are bulimic and anorexic tend to be aspies and the symptoms of bulimia and anorexia are treated but the cause of aspiness is often left unindentified.


HOW do you figure!?!?!? I'd be willing to bet most AREN'T AS!

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05 Feb 2007, 5:12 pm

keep your money,
a lot of women with bulimia, anorexia are obsessed with calorific input and obsess about appearance and weight, these are practical and functional obsessions which allow them to fit in and adapt to a non aspie society, it is part of the difference between presentation of male and female aspiness.
not all but a lot do have it, in my opinion.



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05 Feb 2007, 5:17 pm

For me in some regrads that stereotype is somewhat like me. I mean I have a very dry sarcasitc sense of humor. Now empthy I can say I have only like 30% of 100% of what NTs have.


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