Aspergers and Autism two different conditions?

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30 Nov 2013, 12:13 pm

FluttercordAspie93 wrote:
I always kind of thought that Asperger's and Autism were linked together, but I'm no expert.

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30 Nov 2013, 12:46 pm

I feel they are in some cases. If I went up to someone and said, ''I'm Autistic'' or ''I have Autism'', they would look at me and go, ''really?'' I don't display any of the common stereotypes. I know many online people would argue and say this f*****g annoying s**t ''oh you just think you don't, but you probably do without realising, and you don't have proof from NTs because even the compliments they give you are all lies because they're just trying to be nice. I always used to be so certain that I didn't display any of the stereotypes or any other odd behaviour, but then I found out I was more typically Autistic on the outside than I thought I was......'' Whoever says that s**t to me on WP, just f**k off, I don't want to know. I know my own self, I know my own life, and I know my own friends and family, and I can swear ON MY BOYFRIEND'S GRAVE that I do not show any obvious Autistic signs what scream out ''I have Asperger's!'' to the world. OK?

Sorry, I'm so pissed off tonight because of hearing about 4 months of snow and ice ahead. But anyway, yes, you can get a child with a severe case of Autism and a child with a mild case of Asperger's and the difference can be so big that it can be rather surprising. When I was a child I had a friend who had a brother with severe Autism. He needed 24-hour care, was still in nappies at age 15, and has never spoken a word in his life, and can't wear any clothes because of sensory issues, and would have a meltdown if he saw other children near him. I was the total opposite from that (still am now). I reached all the milestones at the average ages, I could communicate, I went to school, I played with other children, the only sensory issue I had was with loud sudden noises but I still coped with it, I was able to express my feelings, and had no problem with eye contact. There was a difference. A dog barked near him, he would have a meltdown. A dog barked near me, I jumped and put my fingers in my ears then was OK again. Some children were playing a game, he would hide under the table and scream if you made him come out to join the other children. I would of felt shy but joined them anyway, and most probably ended up enjoying myself. There was a difference.

I think with Asperger's most of your symptoms are mild, and maybe one or two symptoms can be more severe, where as a person with moderate Autism may have more severe symptoms but can still be self-aware, and a person with a severe case of Autism mostly have more visible symptoms where it's easy to be able to detect them as a person with Autism. Remember, it is a wide spectrum, so no two Aspies or Autistics are the same, but it can still be worked out who is milder and who is more severe. If you have read the book (whatever it was called) by Luke Jackson, then you might know what I mean because I suppose I can't think of a better way to explain how I mean.


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30 Nov 2013, 6:43 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I always used to be so certain that I didn't display any of the stereotypes or any other odd behaviour, but then I found out I was more typically Autistic on the outside than I thought I was......'' Whoever says that sh** to me on WP, just f**k off, I don't want to know. I know my own self, I know my own life, and I know my own friends and family, and I can swear ON MY BOYFRIEND'S GRAVE that I do not show any obvious Autistic signs what scream out ''I have Asperger's!'' to the world. OK?


When I first came on WP I found this attitude offensive, but I'm a little better informed now. Basically I don;t see why it's a problem to identify yourself as an Aspie, everyone else here does.

But keep in mind that you can't have your cake and eat it...if you want to wear your label because it represents who you are and your identity then you need to respect people's perceptions of you that nowadays even NTs are capable of understanding that Aspergers represents a subset of the ASD spectrum. "Mild" is a state of condition. Using another analogy; If you drink weak watered down tea it may taste like water but it's still a cup of tea. Then you can;t tell people I drink weak tea but it's not tea it's something else? it sounds kinda stupid.



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01 Dec 2013, 1:02 pm

I have been thinking about Callista's response which I read the day she posted it, and it is very articulate and intelligent but something there bothers me, and I came here to respond to that, but then decided to respond to you first.I

sharkattack wrote:
Could these be two distinct conditions with similar symptoms.

Yes, not exactly, but kind of. The way I understand it is around the principle of encapsulation, which I have been writing about .for the last two months or so. Certain brains might tend to encapsulate in an autistic sense because of various genetic factors that do not aid survival.. Other kinds of brains might tend to be more likely to encapsulate in a certain way also because of genetic factors, but in this case,genetic that do help survival, or at least could. This is what I mean when I write about two different kinds of brains. Of course there are more than two kinds, but I am speaking from this angle. Encapsulating around thinking can make a person smarter, and certain brains may be designed to work more efficiently in this way. (The point should be made that all brains work by the principle of encapsulation.) Anyway, in the case of some brains being designed to use the principle of encapsulation in order to increase intelligence and therefore survival, these brains under certain conditions might be, and imo are more likely to encapsulate autistically due to certain environmental factors, such as stress, certain kinds of parenting, food allergies, not enough light, social crowding or whatever..Of course these kind of conditions could affect any kind of brain, but certain kinds of brains would be more likely to autistically encapsulate.

If you think of yourself as being on a spectrum, that is of some value in terms of understanding and sorting things out, such as people are making all these threads comparing similar features. It is very fun to look at and see how so much of it applies to me, too, but basically I believe it slows people down from sorting out their own individual difficulties and working on them, though it could also be helpful. I tend to put the reigns on myself about replying to these kind of threads..


Among all the difficulties in my life Aspergers carries a normal IQ some times a little more.

I kind of feel guilty using the term Autism for myself when I see how much harder many children with Autism have it.

I have listed my problems and difficulty's here a number of times.

However I work and can enjoy a drink or a nice meal or cinema visit.

I have been on holiday to a number of countries also.

I am just asking the question to open of the topic because in all honesty I have no idea either way two conditions or one condition on a spectrum.

You have a choice about how to think of yourself, and do not let others tell you how to do it. Personally I have found that thinking in this way about myself being on a spectrum closes many doorways to personal growth, as it limits and even stereotypes the thinking about oneself in relationship. For instance, some people are obviously smarter than some others, and all kinds of factors play into this, both genetics and environment, but are you going to go around thinking that you are on a spectrum of human intelligence in that you are making certain errors in thinking, just like everyone else except in your case less (or more)? This is not a perfect analogy, but good enough. Would thinking in this way make you smarter or stupider? Obviously the person who is really smart, for whatever reason, is paying attention to whatever he is doing and not thinking of himself as fitting into some kind of spectrum. That would make no sense. Of course fitting into "normal" society is also kind of like thinking of oneself as on a spectrum of normality:-) I am not sure this makes anyone smarter either.