Sometimes I wonder if I even have Asperger's or not

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07 Dec 2013, 4:37 am

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I've been questioning my diagnosis as well. While I do have traits, they all have different explanations. I really identify with the boy in this story. I feel like someone is telling my story. I've never really felt like that when I've read stories about aspies.

Since I've questioned my diagnosis I've noticed a huge reduction in anxiety and depression. I no longer feel anxious 24/7 and I feel like I have some hope now. I feel like I can be me now. I can also focus way better.

My biggest traits, obsessive interests and social problems can be explained by anxiety and depression. When I have no anxiety I can socialize pretty normally. I used to have problems reading social cues, but that could be explained by ADHD. I naturally outgrew those problems once I started paying attention.

I read you first post and saw you were diagnosed at 4 so if you can afford it is probably time to get a reassessment.

In the meantime there are tests on this website. If they say you are probably not an aspie it is indicative but not proof.

I am not going to comment on the article that is really a topic for another thread.

Social cues can be learned well by people on the spectrum. The difference is for Aspies it will always be acting for NT's it is natural but something like depression got in the way of that natural ability.

AS/ASD is not just about social problems. The belief that it is, is what I call the laypersons or the stereotype definition(The DSM 5 addressed this by creating a non spectrum classification Social Communication Disorder which is persistent social problems not explained by other problems). It is a combination of social problems, executive dysfunction, and sensory issues (touch, sound, smell,taste). One does not have to have all the traits but most of them. Sensory is tricky cause it can be subtle and not present in obvious ways like a normal classroom seeming like a disco. If you are still having these other issues despite social improvement I would still keep AS/ASD as a possibility.

I wish you good luck in finding yourself.


I know that social problems aren't the only problem that people with ASD have. It seems like people with ASD think differently than me. It's hard to explain. I also tend to get along more with NTs than people on the spectrum. I do have one sensory issue that was described in the article. I often feel understimulated. I often feel like I need to move around just to get stimulation. When I go on roller coasters I feel quite relaxed and peaceful. I only get sensory overload if I'm having a migraine.

I'm kind of scared to get a reassessment. I have executive dysfunction, so I still want support for that. There is something going on with my brain, I just don't think it's ASD. I feel as much like an outsider in ASD circles as I do in NT circles. I think I'm in a similar situation a lot of people here have been in. A lot of people here have been misdiagnosed with other conditions before being diagnosed with AS, I don't see why it would be any different for me.

I didn't consciously learn social cues. I just started paying more attention to them and I naturally picked them up.


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07 Dec 2013, 5:29 am

I've been wondering myself, I only have some symptoms and they're all mild enough for me to have a normal life. There are many traits I don't have at all! Instead I have traits from other disorders that are much stronger than AS has ever been, dyspraxia, anxiety, tics. Any social troubles are a matter of shyness and lack of confidence through years of being aware of some stupid label. It gives me no self belief and has done more harm than good

I was diagnoses at 11 which was quite late on so I'd already grown out of it a bit. People on here say it's not possible but the brain is very flexible, it's not impossible to develop an almost NT brain in the right circumstances. I may have been a proper aspie as a small child but even then it was ridiculously mild and I always had good friends growing up which helped. Nowadays I think it's almost disappeared.

I read people's about troubles here and I don't relate to so many of them. I feel a fraud. Sure I have some sprinkle of aspieness but not enough to confidently label myself autistic. I'm just a bit of a dork. My mum has a habit of exaggerating things and thinks everyone is a special snowflake in my family so I can easily imagine her being overly persistent during my assessment.


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07 Dec 2013, 5:36 am

Also I understand social nuances and concepts quite well and can totally get where they're from, like feelings of togetherness in political meetings or concerts or following fashions and fads. It makes way more sense than it should for an "aspie."


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07 Dec 2013, 5:42 am

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I've been wondering myself, I only have some symptoms and they're all mild enough for me to have a normal life. There are many traits I don't have at all! Instead I have traits from other disorders that are much stronger than AS has ever been, dyspraxia, anxiety, tics. Any social troubles are a matter of shyness and lack of confidence through years of being aware of some stupid label. It gives me no self belief and has done more harm than good

I agree that this did more harm than good. I have almost no self-confidence because of my diagnosis. Ever since I've questioned my diagnosis my "symptoms" have improved. I feel like I'm finally making progress. I agree that the brain can change. I also think a lot of other disorders can seem similar to AS. If people with AS can be misdiagnosed with other conditions, why can't people with other conditions be misdiagnosed with AS? It's like once you're diagnosed with AS you will be stuck with that label.


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07 Dec 2013, 3:26 pm

As of now the consensensus is that one can't grow out of it. But one can't grow out of what one never had. Of course there can be misdiagnoses as psycholgists are not gods they are human and these conditions do overlap. But as you have read real Aspies think they are doing socially ok when they are not and no aspie has all the traits. That is why any ressesment neads to be thorough.

If any of you get a ressesment tell them exactly what you wrote here and tell them you were here and felt out of place and why. If your family objects I would use this argument. It is good practice to get a second opinion.

Finding solutions usually involve eliminating wrong solutions. And that can be painful. That is why it is rare for 17 year olds or 20 year olds to have found themselves.


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07 Dec 2013, 6:46 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
As of now the consensensus is that one can't grow out of it. But one can't grow out of what one never had. Of course there can be misdiagnoses as psycholgists are not gods they are human and these conditions do overlap. But as you have read real Aspies think they are doing socially ok when they are not and no aspie has all the traits. That is why any ressesment neads to be thorough.

If any of you get a ressesment tell them exactly what you wrote here and tell them you were here and felt out of place and why. If your family objects I would use this argument. It is good practice to get a second opinion.

Finding solutions usually involve eliminating wrong solutions. And that can be painful. That is why it is rare for 17 year olds or 20 year olds to have found themselves.

I don't think I'm doing socially okay. I'm aware that I have problems with my social skills. I just think that they're caused by anxiety and depression. I have gotten help for my "symptoms", but none of the treatments have been effective. I think that is sign that I've been misdiagnosed.


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08 Dec 2013, 10:16 am

I know most people on WP argue that there is no such thing as ''mild'' and ''severe'' on the spectrum, but I believe there is. I'm a perfect example of what you would called a mild and high-functioning person with Asperger's Syndrome. I know it's a spectrum and everyone's different, but yes, everyone's different in their own way but there are still a few significant signs that show that a person could be more mild than others. I have read countless times about babies developing typically and showing no peculiar behaviour or other patterns, then they get to an age (usually when they start school) and then soon end up with a diagnosis of Asperger's.

I even remember when I was about 3 or 4 at preschool, I was playing with a toy doctor's kit, and pulled out a toy stethoscope and put it around my neck. Then I noticed another little girl looking interested in playing with me, and so I asked, ''do you feel sick?'', not for real but just playing a game. She said ''yes'' and I felt her chest with the toy stethoscope, then I remember gently putting it around her neck, and took it turns being the doctor and the patient. That's all I remember, but thinking back, and having seen other toddlers playing with each other since then, it does seem like a typical child interaction. I know that's only one thing I remember at preschool but that can't have been the only time I done interactive play with other children. I was only a preschooler at the time, so you can't expect too much from a toddler.

I can definitely say that I have been able to read body language from instinct, even when I was a child. Even the social worker was quite impressed and surprised when looking at my drawings when I was as young as 6, because I drew people a lot with effective facial expressions (my drawings looked typically like a 6-year-old's drawings but it was the way I could express their facial expressions and other emotional readings when drawing them). And it wasn't just happy or sad, it was all sorts of emotions and expressions. I still kept some of those drawings.


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08 Dec 2013, 7:10 pm

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I know most people on WP argue that there is no such thing as ''mild'' and ''severe'' on the spectrum, but I believe there is. I'm a perfect example of what you would called a mild and high-functioning person with Asperger's Syndrome. I know it's a spectrum and everyone's different, but yes, everyone's different in their own way but there are still a few significant signs that show that a person could be more mild than others. I have read countless times about babies developing typically and showing no peculiar behaviour or other patterns, then they get to an age (usually when they start school) and then soon end up with a diagnosis of Asperger's.

I even remember when I was about 3 or 4 at preschool, I was playing with a toy doctor's kit, and pulled out a toy stethoscope and put it around my neck. Then I noticed another little girl looking interested in playing with me, and so I asked, ''do you feel sick?'', not for real but just playing a game. She said ''yes'' and I felt her chest with the toy stethoscope, then I remember gently putting it around her neck, and took it turns being the doctor and the patient. That's all I remember, but thinking back, and having seen other toddlers playing with each other since then, it does seem like a typical child interaction. I know that's only one thing I remember at preschool but that can't have been the only time I done interactive play with other children. I was only a preschooler at the time, so you can't expect too much from a toddler.

I can definitely say that I have been able to read body language from instinct, even when I was a child. Even the social worker was quite impressed and surprised when looking at my drawings when I was as young as 6, because I drew people a lot with effective facial expressions (my drawings looked typically like a 6-year-old's drawings but it was the way I could express their facial expressions and other emotional readings when drawing them). And it wasn't just happy or sad, it was all sorts of emotions and expressions. I still kept some of those drawings.


I also enjoyed imaginative play, often they'd inlolve whatever I was crazy over at time but it was still imaginative play with other kids. (I do not discount my obsessive nature, but maybe that's just me.)
I'm not sure how much of my knowledge of people is through study but even so it's enough to make me notice all sorts of things.

I've wanted a second opinion for a long time but getting my parents to cooperate will be an uphill struggle.


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