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21 Dec 2013, 11:16 pm

Atwood and Baron-Cohen have made money providing advice/therapy to parents and people with ASD. They are merely service providers...

On the matter of his ridiculing people with ASD; it's hardly surprising. All of the speech therapists, psychologists and doctors I've interacted with had little empathy or sympathy with my daughter as other than patients they don't know anybody with ASD. It's also part of their professional training to be objective and keep their clients at a cold distance. With that type of mindset they are never going to "walk a mile in our shoes". Frankly I don't care anymore if they ever do.



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22 Dec 2013, 3:50 pm

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I think people think too highly of him. As an autism "expert", he's average. That's about it. I'd call him "qualified" or "competent", but not exceptional. There are many people on Wrong Planet who, without a psychology degree, know more about autism than Attwood does. Then again, we have an advantage--we've got the inside story, plus autistic obsessiveness.

But on the other hand, he's a decent communicator, and he's helped teach NTs the basics, so I can't hate him.

The whole "Aspies are funny" so-called humor routine, though--he needs to drop that. He's not an Aspie, and he doesn't have n-word privileges.


After I read Tony's book on Aspergers I sent an email off to him to point out some feature of Austism that he mentioned in his book that he didn't understand. I didn't get any reply.

After I read Maxine Aston's book on Aspgergers in Love, I sent an email to her thanking her on such a great book. She sent an email back within 3 days.

I'll agree that Tony is only average. I'll also agree that many on WP know more on the subject than he does. I went to one of his conferences on the coast last year, but he'd had a cycling accident and couldn't attend. His second in charge made a good presentation.
If you keep in mind that his books books are aimed at the profesionals, and as an overal introductory manual covering most subjects, you won't be too far wrong. But its not in-depth stuff.

While Tony may use humor in poor taste, we are discussing his books. I think they are worth reading. I'm not going to prejudice the books because of his poor humor.



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22 Dec 2013, 3:53 pm

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I heard a talk Tony Attwood gave on YouTube, which was very good. Of course, it's full of his usual jokes, such as, "If you have Asperger's, ultimately you become British." Haha. It gets a laugh and so on.

But something touched me at the very end of the talk. He spoke of his own son, who has Asperger's, who has been in rehab at least seven times for drug addiction. Attwood did not show emotion when saying this. Yet I don't think it's because he doesn't care.

I cannot speak to Attwood's own parenting skills with regard to his son.

What I do sense is that Attwood wants to stay positive about Asperger's and wants the world to see it as a gift; I have a sense that he understands Asperger's even far better than he lets on because of his own son.

Addiction is not even listed in the appendix of his book, The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome. Many Aspies use alcohol and drugs as a means to escape from the NT world and the find relief from their sufferings and lack of success.

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Do you have links to his talks or are they still present on youtube so that I can watch them?



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23 Dec 2013, 12:46 am

bumble wrote:
JSBACHlover wrote:
I heard a talk Tony Attwood gave on YouTube, which was very good. Of course, it's full of his usual jokes, such as, "If you have Asperger's, ultimately you become British." Haha. It gets a laugh and so on.

But something touched me at the very end of the talk. He spoke of his own son, who has Asperger's, who has been in rehab at least seven times for drug addiction. Attwood did not show emotion when saying this. Yet I don't think it's because he doesn't care.

I cannot speak to Attwood's own parenting skills with regard to his son.

What I do sense is that Attwood wants to stay positive about Asperger's and wants the world to see it as a gift; I have a sense that he understands Asperger's even far better than he lets on because of his own son.

Addiction is not even listed in the appendix of his book, The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome. Many Aspies use alcohol and drugs as a means to escape from the NT world and the find relief from their sufferings and lack of success.

By this


Do you have links to his talks or are they still present on youtube so that I can watch them?


Go to the top of the YouTube page type in "Tony Attwood"


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23 Dec 2013, 1:03 pm

Hmmm. You guys have made me think and reconsider my position. It does seem like the guy is promoting himself as an Asperger's "superstar." I have a hard time figuring out other people's intentions (anyone wanna guess why? :roll: ), but the more I think about it, Attwood's approach does seem tacky and creepy. So I revise the stuff I've said above. Thanks!



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23 Dec 2013, 7:07 pm

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After I read Tony's book on Aspergers I sent an email off to him to point out some feature of Austism that he mentioned in his book that he didn't understand. I didn't get any reply.


If you attached a cheque he would have happily have cashed it in.



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23 Dec 2013, 7:26 pm

I don't like him.

I read his book, which was possibly the best thing out at the time; but there wasn't much out, so maybe that isn't saying much.

I've been to a couple of his presentations, but would not waste my money again. He was very offensive, hypocritical, and out for the money and fame.He lampooned and mocked.
At a presentation to parents and educators, he made out AS kids as being wonderful. The next day his attitude turned 180 degrees, because he was addressing the mainly female, almost universally disgruntled exes/partners of (possibly) As spouses. He presented a bunch of stereotypes that had little basis in reality.

Not a fan.



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23 Dec 2013, 7:39 pm

opal wrote:
I've been to a couple of his presentations, but would not waste my money again. He was very offensive, hypocritical, and out for the money and fame.He lampooned and mocked.
At a presentation to parents and educators, he made out AS kids as being wonderful. The next day his attitude turned 180 degrees, because he was addressing the mainly female, almost universally disgruntled exes/partners of (possibly) As spouses. He presented a bunch of stereotypes that had little basis in reality.


I keep an eye out for his presentations, and will attend the next one that comes my way.

If I find the same attitude as you found, I'll attempt to question him directly. And my attitude toward him will likely plumet also. But I do want to witness this for myself before I judge him. At least I'm fore-warned, so thanks for that.



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23 Dec 2013, 7:57 pm

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I keep an eye out for his presentations


Good one, especially considering your avatar.... :cyclops:



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23 Dec 2013, 8:10 pm

InnaLucia wrote:
http://karalianne.tumblr.com/post/34301172348/the-tony-attwood-apologist

http://www.disabilityandrepresentation. ... isability/


After reading these pages, I now officially dislike Tony Atwood. 8O



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24 Dec 2013, 8:10 pm

JSBACHlover wrote:
GregCav wrote:
I keep an eye out for his presentations


Good one, especially considering your avatar.... :cyclops:


LOL Thanks JSBACHlover, that made me laugh
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17 Jan 2014, 2:22 am

Thanks for this thread and the links - I thought it was just me.



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17 Jan 2014, 2:41 am

i think hes one of the few that do understand also i really like his "ask dr tony" thing on youtube



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17 Jan 2014, 3:23 am

As far as basic information goes, his book is okay (although he has some bizarre notions about autistic people and those should be ignored). He's not the expert. Lorna Wing, Uta Frith, etc. are more knowledgeable than he is and don't mock autistic people like he does.



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17 Jan 2014, 3:59 am

I have attended his advanced workshop for professionals on diagnosing autism spectrum conditions. Tony has also responded to one of my emails (which I sent after the workshop) and shared some of the observations his son has made that were similar to my own. It took a week or so for him to respond, my email went through to one of his assistants first. Tony is not on the spectrum, but he has a few family members who are. He has an interesting sense of humour.

You have to understand that even NTs who work with those on the spectrum can be a bit patronising (Autism, is after all, classified as a disorder/disability and I think there is a tendency to view those on the spectrum as lacking in capacity or being similar to 'children'. I do not think that a lot of professionals take a strengths-based approach - where the client is seen as the expert). This is because some of the things we experience/know are outside of their current understanding (some things are too outside the box for a NT), so it comes into conflict with their values (or view of reality). People tend to go into resistance when there is large conflict. They will avoid, shutdown, and dismiss. When they covered women on the spectrum they seemed to make a joke about the women who say they can see auras or sense energy. Some articles term this ability as synesthesia, but I don't believe that present research fully understands this phenomena. Tania Marshall (who also lives in Australia) who has worked with women on the spectrum for the last fifteen years is more open to these abilities. She covers the 'sixth sense' in her blog. These abilities might be more pronounced to those on the spectrum due to their innate sensitivities and makes them more accessible.



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17 Jan 2014, 4:03 am

I understand that NTs can be many degrees of patronizing up to and including extremely. This does not mean it is acceptable or reasonable or remotely appropriate.