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30 Dec 2013, 11:38 pm

NTs wouldn't stick out like sore thumbs. They'd naturally have the skills required to fit in far better than in comparison to aspies now. They would be able to hide their differences if they wanted to, as they'd naturally adopt appropriate aspie behaviours as they grew up. That's what being a social animal is.
For those who doubt this, we live with this example constantly, as every single culture in existence nurtures some behaviour and shuns other behaviours depending on the situation. NT's aren't loud and boisterous all the time, no, they are when the see that it is allowed. We're taught not to talk in school, we're taught to listen to elders, we're taught to obey authority...all this is learned behaviour that NT's pick up naturally, and any sort of regular aspie behaviour would work the exact same way. We'd just have a bunch of NTs who crave more randomness and noise and social interaction than they'd get on a regular basis, but who wouldn't do anything about it except in their spare time where they'd seek out other NTs and then they'd party. Just like NT's do now, act appropriately at work and other social situations, and become themselves in their spare time.
Of course what's appropriate would change a lot, society itself would change a lot. And NTs would fit right in.
Only if an NT were to go against the grain, which itself would probably not even be seen as a negative thing unless it'd disrupt the regular order of things, only then would they be pathologized. Of course they'd be abnormal no matter what, but they wouldn't be clearly disabled.


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30 Dec 2013, 11:39 pm

Hey, wait a minute! We are NOT going to treat our NT brethren that way. No reverse discrimination here. That's loathsome and immoral.

What we need to do is to make certain they get proper services in elementary school and offer programs for them as adults. We need to make certain that they feel accepted in our society. We shall not treat our NT brethren with misunderstanding and isolation!



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30 Dec 2013, 11:46 pm

Being inattentive to details might be an issue for NTs in this world. They'd probably be seen as stupid for that.


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30 Dec 2013, 11:54 pm

Janissy wrote:
My guess is that the biggest problem NTs would have would be social. The NT need for frequent and prolonged social contact would be dysfunctional. The DSM would cite neediness, clinginess and an inability to cope with being alone as core symptoms.

There would be a spectrum. Extremely introverted and shy NTs would e considered the highest functioning, the least affected. The most extroverted NTs would be the most severely affected. Depending on environment, some might develop the severe pathologies such as personality disintegration sometimes seen in people kept in solitary confinement for extended periods.

NTs lucky enough to be born near other NTs would immediately bond together. NTs would frequently seek out any animal companions they could. "The raccoon doesn't judge me."

Extroverted Aspies would be considered to have a mild pathology, something analogous to (but the opposite of) Social Anxiety Disorder. They might feel more comfortable in the company of NTs.

The other constellation of symptoms would be around focus. Glossing over large areas and only seeing certain details would be a core symptom. This would be treatable with drugs- probably the exact same drugs used for ADHD now.

Lack of sensory sensitivity might or might not make it into the DSM. If it did, it wouldn't be a core symptom and diagnosis wouldn't require it be there. This is because lack of sensory sensitivity wouldn't be particularly impairing- not like the social and focus cluster of symptoms. It might be noted but that's about it. It wouldn't be a therapy focus. NTs would find manmade enviroments dull and under-stimulating but the natural world holds plenty of stimulus. NTs might be very outdoorsy to get away from the muted light and hushed indoor environment but any impairments arising from that(like children always staring out the window) would be attributed to lack of focus. Many Aspies uneducated in NT Syndrome wouldn't even realize this sensory-craving behavior even existed. If they saw an NT pursuing bright lights and loud sounds, they would think they were seeing lack of focus.


Hahaha! Hilarious!



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31 Dec 2013, 3:55 am

There would be Aspies in their most lower functioning neighborhoods. But they would be under guard as they would be prisoners put there as punishment for bad behavior like people put in isolation here.


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31 Dec 2013, 12:07 pm

Haha this is too funny! :P

Because they lack sensitivity to noises, touch, movements, etc., they wouldn't realize that they come across as loud and overbearing. They don't mean to be rude, but need to learn proper social skills to not dominate the sound waves or invade other people's personal space.



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31 Dec 2013, 6:53 pm

In the world described, I imagine NTs would be just as we are. My counselor is always telling me that you're permitted to behave in less conventional ways if you contribute more to the people around you. Abilities posessed by NTs such as easily reading body language would prove very useful just as we have unusual talents that certain groups have demand for. If the NT markets the talent(s) they have that are in limited supply well, they'd be permitted a certain level of deviation from the social norm just as some of us are.



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31 Dec 2013, 7:09 pm

I wish I could remember the book or author, or that I had the room to unpack all my books and look through them to find it.

Someone wrote a sci-fi novel which was in part about an entire planet of people with neurological disorders and no neurotypicals, apparently as a result of the method and route used to travel there by the original colonists.
They wore color & pattern coded clothing to let others know what their issues were as both identification and warning.
It was an interesting read on the concept.

It seems like a society composed mostly of aspies couldn't evolve naturally.
Our civilizations evolved because humans were innately social creatures, able to live and work together in large groups.
Aspies just aren't like that, so any society composed of mostly aspies would seem likely to be highly artificial and thus unstable and unsustainable in the long run.

It's nice to think about though...



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01 Jan 2014, 12:49 am

Bodyles wrote:
I wish I could remember the book or author, or that I had the room to unpack all my books and look through them to find it.

Someone wrote a sci-fi novel which was in part about an entire planet of people with neurological disorders and no neurotypicals, apparently as a result of the method and route used to travel there by the original colonists.
They wore color & pattern coded clothing to let others know what their issues were as both identification and warning.
It was an interesting read on the concept.

It seems like a society composed mostly of aspies couldn't evolve naturally.
Our civilizations evolved because humans were innately social creatures, able to live and work together in large groups.
Aspies just aren't like that, so any society composed of mostly aspies would seem likely to be highly artificial and thus unstable and unsustainable in the long run.

It's nice to think about though...


I hate that feeling when you can't remember the name of a book you read, so I looked it up for you and I found two books that both seem to somewhat fit the bill of what you're describing. One is The Legacy of Heorot ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legacy_of_Heorot ), and the other is Clans of the Alphane Moon. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clans_of_the_Alphane_Moon ).

I think a different type of society would have developed if Aspies were the NTs, but I don't think it would be necessarily unstable and unsustainable - just different.


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