My Poverty, Like My Aspergers, Is Not A Myth

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30 Dec 2013, 8:54 pm

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There will always be some system or another for people to get what they need/want to survive.


I guess they don't teach much about The Great Depression up in Canada. :?


I'm well aware of it. People adapted to it. Life wasn't easy, but (most) people survived it. Yes, some may have starved to death and others diet of curable diseases because they couldn't afford medicine, but by and large people survived. Things went from money to bartering & subsistence farming and so forth vs. the typical capitalist system of working at a job and spending money on needs/wants.


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30 Dec 2013, 9:23 pm

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Wow that hit home for me, how depressing. I am in the exact situation and after over a decade of being in debt and uneducated/unemployed I have begun taking programming courses online as I truly believe it is the best job option for someone with ASD. Funny enough is the first comment at the end of the article said "learn programming".

I just started working on my own indie game with Unity, it's so dang easy!



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30 Dec 2013, 10:28 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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There will always be some system or another for people to get what they need/want to survive.


I guess they don't teach much about The Great Depression up in Canada. :?


I'm well aware of it. People adapted to it. Life wasn't easy, but (most) people survived it. Yes, some may have starved to death and others diet of curable diseases because they couldn't afford medicine, but by and large people survived. Things went from money to bartering & subsistence farming and so forth vs. the typical capitalist system of working at a job and spending money on needs/wants.


Jesus Christ you randians are crazy. That wasn't widespread capitalism that was widespread looting and the institution of a police state that enforced what amounted to little better than concentration camps. The crime rate went through the roof, organized crime flourished etc etc. why do I bother... WAIT! If you allow pure capitalism black people will be the same as whites! are you sure you could live with that?


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30 Dec 2013, 10:34 pm

buffinator wrote:
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There will always be some system or another for people to get what they need/want to survive.


I guess they don't teach much about The Great Depression up in Canada. :?


I'm well aware of it. People adapted to it. Life wasn't easy, but (most) people survived it. Yes, some may have starved to death and others diet of curable diseases because they couldn't afford medicine, but by and large people survived. Things went from money to bartering & subsistence farming and so forth vs. the typical capitalist system of working at a job and spending money on needs/wants.


Jesus Christ you randians are crazy. That wasn't widespread capitalism that was widespread looting and the institution of a police state that enforced what amounted to little better than concentration camps. The crime rate went through the roof, organized crime flourished etc etc. why do I bother... WAIT! If you allow pure capitalism black people will be the same as whites! are you sure you could live with that?


I could live with that just fine. I'm fortunate to live where virtually all colours, languages, nationalities, cultures, ethnicities etc on the planet are represented in the city & it's suburbs. 8) There's still far too much corruption, though, vs. pure capitalism. But still, people of all backgrounds are able to become financially successful here - and they do/are.


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30 Dec 2013, 10:52 pm

I could have written that a decade ago. Except for the Rubix Cube--I'd probably just peel the stickers off. :wink:



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30 Dec 2013, 11:14 pm

During the great depression there was no such thing as disability benefits or unemployment benefits etc. That we have these things could actually be keeping the economy afloat, as it's keeping money flowing through the system. Any government that decides to take away money from people who will use all of what's being given to them (ie: the poor) would be ignoring basic economic principles that keep the economy from getting worse.
Also the unemployment rate was higher then than it is now, especially if you consider that back then a woman raising her kids who didn't have a job wasn't even considered as unemployed as she wasn't considered a part of the employment pool, whereas now families where both parents work is the norm.
And basic necessities are produced cheaper now. And US economy is tightly linked to where so many imports come from, like China, where goods are made even cheaper still for us.
Poverty is 2 things: not having enough to live and not having enough to live the way society is used to living.


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30 Dec 2013, 11:36 pm

I work and live independently, but I have noticed that with the increase in stressors in the last couple years, mainly concern about getting SRS, I did notice I seemed to come close to losing it at times. If something were to happen and I did lose it, I would certainly want that safety net!


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31 Dec 2013, 1:32 am

Some days the only way I can go on is to remind myself that if I lose my apartment, my cats will not have a place to live. Somehow, being homeless myself is not nearly as important as that.

Some days, going on just hurts.


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31 Dec 2013, 9:33 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
buffinator wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Willard wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
There will always be some system or another for people to get what they need/want to survive.


I guess they don't teach much about The Great Depression up in Canada. :?


I'm well aware of it. People adapted to it. Life wasn't easy, but (most) people survived it. Yes, some may have starved to death and others diet of curable diseases because they couldn't afford medicine, but by and large people survived. Things went from money to bartering & subsistence farming and so forth vs. the typical capitalist system of working at a job and spending money on needs/wants.


Jesus Christ you randians are crazy. That wasn't widespread capitalism that was widespread looting and the institution of a police state that enforced what amounted to little better than concentration camps. The crime rate went through the roof, organized crime flourished etc etc. why do I bother... WAIT! If you allow pure capitalism black people will be the same as whites! are you sure you could live with that?


I could live with that just fine. I'm fortunate to live where virtually all colours, languages, nationalities, cultures, ethnicities etc on the planet are represented in the city & it's suburbs. 8) There's still far too much corruption, though, vs. pure capitalism. But still, people of all backgrounds are able to become financially successful here - and they do/are.


When Canadians say this, I want to laugh at them. But the discrepancy between what they say and what they do is actually tragic and no laughing matter.

http://aptn.ca/news/2013/10/17/rcmp-off ... -blockade/

http://www.studymode.com/essays/Oppress ... 03277.html

http://www.angus-mcleod.com/pastandpres ... ssion.html

http://media.knet.ca/node/22671

This is Canada's vaunted multiculturalism. Constant oppression and marginalization of First Nations people.

As for other races, well:

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commenta ... anada.html

http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/10/canad ... ed-racism/

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/canada-is-still-racist

Basically, Canada is just as racist as the US.



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31 Dec 2013, 10:30 pm

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What are some possible practical solutions or forms of help for people in this situation of this guy who wrote the article?


As you already know, we are working on the start-up of an intentional autistic community within an already existing community in a city outside of Denver. We will start very small, but ultimately [and almost surely after I have passed] we are hopinh to be able to provide employment for autistics who live there. We are hoping to spread the concept throughout the world.

One of the main reasons for AutHaven, the mini retreat 25 miles west of Denver Feb 22-25, [only $100 per person, 3 days and nights food and lodging included] is to work on specifics on how to best get this going.

Right now, 85% of HFA's are unemployed. Only 5% are employed full time in jobs even close to their levels of ability. Estimates are that 25 to 30% of the homeless are autistic. The suicide rate among autistics is soaring. We can change these statistics if we work together. I'm talking working together inter-dependently to gain independence, and success by whatever our personal definition of it is.

But we have to work together. That is the ONLY way we can do it. No NT cultured government agency is going to do it for us, and even if they could, and would, they would mess it up. BUT WE CAN DO THIS!



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31 Dec 2013, 10:42 pm

MjrMajorMajor wrote:
I could have written that a decade ago. Except for the Rubix Cube--I'd probably just peel the stickers off. :wink:

How do you know he didn't? :P

Truth be told my jobs have been similar - I was good with the customers too (the ones who are there to get in, get their product/information, and get out, anyways). The number of jobs I've held is fewer but only because I wasn't as smart as him - I always stayed until the meltdown actually happened. So my list of references is zip zero ziltch.

I'm on disability, now. Though not for my AS. But at least it means I have some survival mechanism.



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01 Jan 2014, 1:26 am

It's not difficult for an intelligent person to find employment regardless of the economic state of the country/world. What's hard is finding employment doing something that you can't be sent to prison for. Personally, nearly all of the jobs I've had in my life have been "grey market" work. That is to say that it wasn't black market (selling drugs, slaves, etc.) but it was all off the books. Because of this, I sometimes do a job for someone (anything from removing moss from a roof to working on their bike) and then they decide not to pay me because they know I can't do anything about it. It hasn't happened very often, but when it does happen it irritates me to no end.

Sometimes I wish I could get a real job simply so I know that I'll have work regularly, that I'll get payed for it & exactly how much I'll get payed for it, but it just seems impossible sometimes. On the bright side, doing what I do, there's no office politics to deal with & I don't have to deal with the moral ambiguity that comes with paying taxes (Do you really want to pay for things that you think are unethical?)

I'd love to go back to the farm life I enjoyed when I was younger, but that's just not financially practical any more. This might sound terrible, but I'm almost counting on some kind of big disaster to happen. If the price of staple foods would increase, I could afford to live by raising grain and cattle again. I've often had fantasies of growing wheat or oats instead of hay like we did on the farm I grew up on and having more diverse livestock. We just raised cows for beef, but I'd like to have some chickens & goats in the future.

Anyway, those are my tangentially related thoughts...



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01 Jan 2014, 5:26 am

It sounds to me like the real problem for the author of that article wasn't AS itself, it was workplace bullying. AS didn't prevent him from getting jobs or even keeping them. It was the bullying that forced him to quit. That's a cultural problem and maybe a legal one. It saddens me that some people never grew out of being school-yard bullies and continue to torment others just because they can. I used to think that that must be the highest form of evil, but now I realise they probably just lack the intelligence and empathy to understand the effect of their actions. I have no idea how it can ever be stopped, though.

I'm kind of curious how he managed to get a girlfriend with all that - and one with rich parents, to boot. The article doesn't go into any detail on that, though!


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01 Jan 2014, 6:21 am

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It sounds to me like the real problem for the author of that article wasn't AS itself, it was workplace bullying. AS didn't prevent him from getting jobs or even keeping them. It was the bullying that forced him to quit. That's a cultural problem and maybe a legal one. It saddens me that some people never grew out of being school-yard bullies and continue to torment others just because they can. I used to think that that must be the highest form of evil, but now I realise they probably just lack the intelligence and empathy to understand the effect of their actions. I have no idea how it can ever be stopped, though.

I'm kind of curious how he managed to get a girlfriend with all that - and one with rich parents, to boot. The article doesn't go into any detail on that, though!


Almost everyone is going to experience some workplace bullying. It's how he reacts to it, due to his ASD, that creates his troubles with keeping a job. He probably gets bullied more because of the way he reacts, too. If people can't get a rise out of someone they'll stop bothering them.. but when they see him get irritated &/or flip s**t, chances are they persist.. then he has a meltdown/shutdown and that job is over.


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01 Jan 2014, 12:08 pm

FMX wrote:
It sounds to me like the real problem for the author of that article wasn't AS itself, it was workplace bullying. AS didn't prevent him from getting jobs or even keeping them. It was the bullying that forced him to quit. That's a cultural problem and maybe a legal one. It saddens me that some people never grew out of being school-yard bullies and continue to torment others just because they can. I used to think that that must be the highest form of evil, but now I realise they probably just lack the intelligence and empathy to understand the effect of their actions. I have no idea how it can ever be stopped, though.

I'm kind of curious how he managed to get a girlfriend with all that - and one with rich parents, to boot. The article doesn't go into any detail on that, though!




That is one of the reasons why aspies can't keep one. They are more prone to immature behavior from people and that is bullying. Some people never grow up and they enjoy seeing their reactions so they will try and provoke it just to get a pleasure out of it. That must be some sh***y lucky he had if every job he has had had that behavior, same as for other aspies that end up quitting due to workplace bullying. Then they make it an impairment for us.


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01 Jan 2014, 10:45 pm

that person sounds much like me, besides one fact, there is one thing ive always been good at, that is controlling my money, well i guess it isnt hard when you arent rich, but thats something ive never had a problem with ever, at least ive learned something from my mother.

Im amazed he could get a girlfriend. maybe there really is a chance out there for everyone.

that is certainly interesting.