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10 Feb 2007, 4:29 pm

yeah, because profesionals are the ones who say if your autistic not yourself as there are things like autism out there

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10 Feb 2007, 4:29 pm

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well none of us are gifted then in that context as things with us suffer

I did say thing[s]. I meant to clarify that. I also said gifted just implies it. Besides, I don't think social intelligence is generally tested. They HAVE renamed idiot savant to autistic savant, but it STILL gives one this idea of some superhuman feat like detecting and counting the number of patterns in literally the blink of an eye. I believe the dictionary definition of gifted is a composite IQ of 130 or over, and genius is a composite IQ of over 140. By those definitions, it looks like maybe 65% of AS people are gifted and maybe 25% are genius. Just guess based on those that answered queries, etc... There ARE definitely some people with savant(As many understand it) level skills thrown in there, and some of them only claimed a gifted level IQ!

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10 Feb 2007, 4:40 pm

Solid is right! An AS diagnosis doesn't generally give adults any benefits, and many get a little too good at hiding things that distinguish it from things that are easily explained away. ALSO, what parents will waste the time/money to get a diagnosis for what they view as a behaviour problem? Frankly, I think it is UNDERDIAGNOSED!

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10 Feb 2007, 5:04 pm

I'm supposed to be gifted... pretty useless areas though I think... how is being able to memorize rhyming words on the spot, and keeping them memorized for the rest of your life a gift??? Sheesh, thanks, god, THAT was useful. I have a GREAT vocabulary - <sarcasm>certainly helps my social life</sarcasm>!

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10 Feb 2007, 5:05 pm

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I would think showing off would be fun.

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10 Feb 2007, 5:11 pm

Well I can say I'm gifted with writing novels.

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10 Feb 2007, 6:12 pm

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Well HEY! Right now, for the most part, my best memory creation is for events! Luckily, I learned a lot when I was younger, and it sometimes takes me a VERY long time to forget. ALSO, if I can tie a memory with enough stuff, it can come back at any time.

Still, if I watch my diet, and try, I can learn a lot fast. ALSO, it is even easier if I only need to know it for like a day. You might be the same way.

Besides, you seemed to indicate you had some other areas you were great at.

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10 Feb 2007, 6:14 pm

I am gifted. My IQ is high genius, and in the range that is difficult to measure. I do not brag here - i did not a thing to have this: It was simoly there like my brown eyes and greying and receeding blonde hair. Two points:

1. Not that my gift (I am good at the understanding, manipulation, synthesizing, and communicating of concepts: hell for good at spatial relationships: I earn my living as an unlicensed architect in a small town) has done me much good. I fear 'retirement" as it looms ever nearer, and I have no retirement plans outside of SS.

2. I have studied a few sited didicated to high IQ. Most of us are not physicists. Further, one poor fellow related that a specific question on an IQ test asked the oh so typical: "Which of these items does not belong with the others?" He noted immediately that all item's names began with the same initial letter - except one: Obviously the one that does not fit. NO! that was not the exception that THEY (and you know how they are!) were looking for. Missed question because: A. the human mind is not good at stochastic operation, B. The tests are designed by, tested on, administered by, and scored by mundane standards.

3. I do not trust mondanes with the testing or modification of my mind.

Greatest GIFT I have received - WP!

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10 Feb 2007, 6:49 pm

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I didn't say a genius had to have a certain job, merely that a person had a better chance to test high if they had caring and smart parents. That is due to nutrition, fulfillment of need/desire, and exposure to higher level knowledge.

HEY, on the last 1 vs 100, they got down to 5 people. One person was a ROOM SERVICE WAITER! He said the answer to his success was LOTS OF DOWNTIME, so he read a lot of stuff. The winner was someone else that might not have been expected to win. GRANTED none of the harder questions were worthy of an IQ test, and they weren't that hard. If I was there, it would have been down to 6. I would have flunked the last question also, but would have been in good company. Still, some SIMPLE questions people in highschool should have been able to asnwer knocked out a LOT of people.

Yeah, I've seen those types of questions ALSO. Luckily, most IQ tests are probably multiple choice, so if your answer isn't listed, you can try again. Still, that is one reason I HATE tests.

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10 Feb 2007, 7:07 pm

I'm a gifted savant with music skills. I have perfect pitch and the ability to completely understand sheet music to the point that if I look at it once I can play the song without error (As long as I can play it's instrument) and never forget the song. I also have math skills, though I'm not capable of calender calulation I can handle extremely large or difficult math equations in my head. But my memory skills are my strong point. I can memorize just about anything.

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10 Feb 2007, 7:43 pm

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GEE, remember a tiny little table, and a simple algorithm, and calender calculation is a veritable snap.

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10 Feb 2007, 8:40 pm

I'm gifted, not crazy gifted, but enough that if you saw a fair impression of my capabilities you would be probably be impressed <so long as you hadn't lost your objectivity in some kind of vast sea of spectacular>

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10 Feb 2007, 8:41 pm

I memorize well, IF the data is logically connected. I do very poorly indeed with the rote memorization of junk verbage. It can be akin to an attempt to memorize an eye chart. I did poorly in Lutheran Chatecism.

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10 Feb 2007, 9:03 pm

I can memorize things if they're connected in a way that is "logical" to me, even if I recognize that it isn't logical, sticky note logic is the best way I can describe it

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10 Feb 2007, 10:33 pm

You know, it is WIERD!! !!

Wikipedia says:

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Sometimes these interests are lifelong; in other cases, they change at unpredictable intervals. In either case, there are normally one or two interests at any given time. In pursuit of these interests, people with AS often manifest extremely sophisticated reasoning, an almost obsessive focus, and a remarkably good memory for trivial facts (occasionally even eidetic memory).[3][32] Hans Asperger called his young patients "little professors" because he thought his patients had as comprehensive and nuanced an understanding of their field of interest as university professors.[33]

Some clinicians do not entirely agree with this description. For example, Wing and Gillberg both argue that, in children with AS, these areas of intense interest typically involve more rote memorization than real understanding,[3] despite occasional appearances to the contrary. Such a limitation is an artifact of the diagnostic criteria, even under Gillberg's criteria, however.[9]

People with AS may have little patience for things outside these narrow interests. In school, they may be perceived as highly intelligent underachievers or overachievers, clearly capable of outperforming their peers in their field of interest, yet persistently unmotivated to do regular homework assignments (sometimes even in their areas of interest). Others may be hypermotivated to outperform peers in school. The combination of social problems and intense interests can lead to unusual behavior, such as greeting a stranger by launching into a lengthy monologue about a special interest rather than introducing oneself in the socially accepted way. However, in many cases adults can outgrow this impatience and lack of motivation and develop more tolerance to new activities and meeting new people.[26]

Hans' "understanding" is certainly true of ME. Even people working in the industries(Electronics and computers) for DECADES longer than I was have agreed with that assertion. Even when I wasn't even 10, and never worked a day at a job. Where do the "clinicians" get off saying "these areas of intense interest typically involve more rote memorization than real understanding"? That would make AS people good for nothing more than parroting, and such behaviour wouldn't have gotten me past the first grade!

The LAST paragraph nailed me though. I should show my mother THAT! She would HAVE to remember THAT!

For ME, ROTE is a LAST RESORT!(Meaning repetition) If I can spot a pattern, tie it to something I remembered earlier, etc... I'll do THAT!

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11 Feb 2007, 10:45 am

Myself.

Gifted in terms of the top 2% of the population on a few tests, yes.
Gifted in terms of a Kim Peek like prodigy, I'm going to have to say no.

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