Big Brother Wants Mental Health Files

Page 2 of 3 [ 37 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

Max000
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Apr 2012
Age: 65
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,547

12 Jan 2014, 6:24 pm

Sherlock03 wrote:
Max000 wrote:
chris5000 wrote:
Asians also kill each other like on the same day as newton a Chinese guy went into a kindergarten and killed everyone with a knife.


Actually the Chinese guy wounded 22 kids and an old lady with the knife. He didn't kill anyone.

The Chinese are a little too smart too let that happen there. They don't let crazy people have the mass killing weapons, like we do in the US.


They don't teach basic chemistry in China?


They don't let crazy people possess semiautomatic assault weapons in China. If they did, the knife attacker would have almost certainly have had one, and those 22 Chinese kids would all be dead, just like the kids at Sandy Hook.



Winner
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

User avatar

Joined: 13 Apr 2013
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 78

12 Jan 2014, 6:57 pm

All shooting massacres that have occurred in the US have one thing in common. Every time a report is released on them there are pages that redacted. In other words, evidence is withheld/destroyed/deleted.

If the authorities have nothing to hide, why do they do that?

Remember that show The X Files? When Mulder tried to get evidence, almost every time the FBI/CIA/NSA set a building on fire or suddenly moved a bunch of files to an undisclosed location in a secretive night action.

Why are the police behaving like that in these mass shooting cases? There is more to it than meets the eye. Without being in possession of the full facts, nobody can reach an informed opinion.



Sherlock03
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Oct 2012
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 594
Location: Virginia

12 Jan 2014, 7:49 pm

Max000 wrote:
Sherlock03 wrote:
Max000 wrote:
chris5000 wrote:
Asians also kill each other like on the same day as newton a Chinese guy went into a kindergarten and killed everyone with a knife.


Actually the Chinese guy wounded 22 kids and an old lady with the knife. He didn't kill anyone.

The Chinese are a little too smart too let that happen there. They don't let crazy people have the mass killing weapons, like we do in the US.


They don't teach basic chemistry in China?


They don't let crazy people possess semiautomatic assault weapons in China. If they did, the knife attacker would have almost certainly have had one, and those 22 Chinese kids would all be dead, just like the kids at Sandy Hook.


But why not a bomb? They are impossible to control/ track, cheap, and much more deadly. It makes no sense if all the murderer is after is a body count? Some of these guys must be after something else. Lanza's actions in particular point to an ideological motive. Just because a motive is not apparent does not mean that one doesn't exist.


_________________
"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." - Marcus Aurelius


AardvarkGoodSwimmer
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,665
Location: Houston, Texas

12 Jan 2014, 8:05 pm

Winner wrote:
All shooting massacres that have occurred in the US have one thing in common. Every time a report is released on them there are pages that redacted. In other words, evidence is withheld/destroyed/deleted. . .

I don't think there's a big story. With Adam Lanza, I think what you see is what you get. He killed his mother because he had real issues with her. And he attacked the school and killed the children, maybe because he was trying to hurt something dear to his mother?

As far as the police releasing some information but not other, that's what they always do. They're a semi-okay, semi-crapola institution drifting along just like they always do.

And as far as a judge releasing some information but not other information, the big underlying reason probably is that the judge wants to view his or her job as important.

And there are individuals in both institutions who try, but I tend to think they are probably in a minority. And with the free speech of a democracy, these institutions can and sometimes do improve over time, but at a glacial pace.



AardvarkGoodSwimmer
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,665
Location: Houston, Texas

12 Jan 2014, 8:14 pm

As far as the issue of gun control, I kind of like the idea of a Congressional Representative for a conservative district north of Houston back in 1990.

You can ping a system, to see if someone has a certain type of criminal record. But you don't keep any kind of permanent record that the person purchased a firearm.

And that's the idea of conservative Republican Jack Fields.



BeggingTurtle
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Jun 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,374
Location: New England

12 Jan 2014, 8:54 pm

This whole thing is a like a witch hunt and a bad logic puzzle mushed together.

Stupid Illogical Professional wrote:
Well, if all people like Adam Lanza murder people and he's a murderer with autism
Then, all murderers have autism??
Eureka! I solved it!


Either this, or people jump to conclusions.


_________________
Shedding your shell can be hard.
Diagnosed Level 1 autism, Tourettes + ADHD + OCD age 9, recovering Borderline personality disorder (age 16)


BeggingTurtle
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Jun 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,374
Location: New England

12 Jan 2014, 8:58 pm

Max000 wrote:
They don't let crazy people possess semiautomatic assault weapons in China. If they did, the knife attacker would have almost certainly have had one, and those 22 Chinese kids would all be dead, just like the kids at Sandy Hook.


Well I lived in China for a portion of my childhood, but they really don't have much control. Laws are hard to enforce because provinces in the country are really disorganized. For example, religion is against the rules, but there are public churches. :? Because of this, each province typically have different views of some laws opposed to others.


_________________
Shedding your shell can be hard.
Diagnosed Level 1 autism, Tourettes + ADHD + OCD age 9, recovering Borderline personality disorder (age 16)


Max000
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Apr 2012
Age: 65
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,547

12 Jan 2014, 9:24 pm

Sherlock03 wrote:
Max000 wrote:
Sherlock03 wrote:
Max000 wrote:
chris5000 wrote:
Asians also kill each other like on the same day as newton a Chinese guy went into a kindergarten and killed everyone with a knife.


Actually the Chinese guy wounded 22 kids and an old lady with the knife. He didn't kill anyone.

The Chinese are a little too smart too let that happen there. They don't let crazy people have the mass killing weapons, like we do in the US.


They don't teach basic chemistry in China?


They don't let crazy people possess semiautomatic assault weapons in China. If they did, the knife attacker would have almost certainly have had one, and those 22 Chinese kids would all be dead, just like the kids at Sandy Hook.


But why not a bomb? They are impossible to control/ track, cheap, and much more deadly.


Technical knowhow and it is less effective (lower body count) then assault weapons. It takes a lot of work to build a bomb. If you don't know what you are doing, you are more likely to just kill yourself, then anyone else.

It doesn't take any brains or skills to kill someone with a gun. Put the bullets in, point, shoot. Better the gun, the more people you can kill. Thanks to the gun nuts in this country getting good guns is as easy as buying candy.



wozeree
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Aug 2013
Age: 65
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,344

12 Jan 2014, 9:31 pm

Winner wrote:
All shooting massacres that have occurred in the US have one thing in common. Every time a report is released on them there are pages that redacted. In other words, evidence is withheld/destroyed/deleted.

If the authorities have nothing to hide, why do they do that?

Remember that show The X Files? When Mulder tried to get evidence, almost every time the FBI/CIA/NSA set a building on fire or suddenly moved a bunch of files to an undisclosed location in a secretive night action.

Why are the police behaving like that in these mass shooting cases? There is more to it than meets the eye. Without being in possession of the full facts, nobody can reach an informed opinion.


You know (and I mean this seriously) - I'm a little surprised that Vince Gilligan lived long enough to make Breaking Bad. I'm surprised he didn't have an accident or die of a mysterious disease or even suddenly get arrested for some bizarre crime.



GregCav
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 16 Apr 2013
Age: 60
Gender: Male
Posts: 679
Location: Australia

12 Jan 2014, 10:09 pm

The article is strongly worded, and looks like a witch hunt for an excuse.

However, I read all of the replys on the first two pages and 100% of them were critical of the investigation. It also seems Mayor Scott Jackson of Hamden is strongly anti-gun, and is using this event as a vehicle to push his beliefs.



Sherlock03
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Oct 2012
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 594
Location: Virginia

12 Jan 2014, 11:09 pm

Max000 wrote:
Sherlock03 wrote:
Max000 wrote:
Sherlock03 wrote:
Max000 wrote:
chris5000 wrote:
Asians also kill each other like on the same day as newton a Chinese guy went into a kindergarten and killed everyone with a knife.


Actually the Chinese guy wounded 22 kids and an old lady with the knife. He didn't kill anyone.

The Chinese are a little too smart too let that happen there. They don't let crazy people have the mass killing weapons, like we do in the US.


They don't teach basic chemistry in China?


They don't let crazy people possess semiautomatic assault weapons in China. If they did, the knife attacker would have almost certainly have had one, and those 22 Chinese kids would all be dead, just like the kids at Sandy Hook.


But why not a bomb? They are impossible to control/ track, cheap, and much more deadly.


Technical knowhow and it is less effective (lower body count) then assault weapons. It takes a lot of work to build a bomb. If you don't know what you are doing, you are more likely to just kill yourself, then anyone else.

It doesn't take any brains or skills to kill someone with a gun. Put the bullets in, point, shoot. Better the gun, the more people you can kill. Thanks to the gun nuts in this country getting good guns is as easy as buying candy.


Bombs technical and less effective? We would like to think so, but no not really. Heck the only reason we didn't have a massive body count in Boston was sheer luck. Those bombs was nothing more than a pressure cooker and gunpowder, which is what $80 bucks each compared to an AR which comes in at around $1000 ( without ammo). Now compare that it took Lanza about 5 minutes to kill 26 tightly bunched people vs Boston which measure 14 second that resulted in 280 wounded and very luckily only three dead. So, why are they still using guns?

Also, this may be irrelevant but here are two little factoids

Aimed rate fire AR 15= 45 rounds per minute ( 15 to avoid malfunctions or jams)

Aimed rate fire Lee Enfield bolt action= 25 rounds per minute ( never jams)


_________________
"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." - Marcus Aurelius


Max000
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Apr 2012
Age: 65
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,547

13 Jan 2014, 12:54 am

Sherlock03 wrote:
Now compare that it took Lanza about 5 minutes to kill 26 tightly bunched people vs Boston which measure 14 second that resulted in 280 wounded and very luckily only three dead. So, why are they still using guns?


Because they are killers. They want to kill, not wound, and their weapon of choice is semi-automatic firearms. Because they are cheap and easy and do what they want them to do. And in the United States they have good friends in the National Rifle Association who make sure they have the tools they need to carry out their murderous acts. In other countries where they don't have that option, deranged individuals have to make do with less lethal weapons, which makes mass-murder very difficult. Probably impossible for most of these type of people.



rapidroy
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Dec 2012
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,411
Location: Ontario Canada

13 Jan 2014, 1:47 am

On the brighter side, it might be interesting to see what else is in those files.



ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 68
Gender: Male
Posts: 39,637
Location: Long Island, New York

13 Jan 2014, 2:57 am

Out of the 153 comments to the article most involved conspiracy theories. They were claims and implications of anti gun conspiracies and that massacre did not happen ie a false flag operation. The few comments relating to mental heath were in favor of bringing back large scale mental institutions. There was NOT ONE mention of Autism or Aspergers in any of the comments.

I do not expect Aspergers to be blamed as the sole cause. I can see them saying the hyperfocus and special interest from Aspergers were FACTORS. When I read about his detailed meticulous spreadsheet and saw the photo copy of an 1891 Newspaper photocopy of a school shooting, I find it hard not to conclude Spectrum hyperfocus and special interests were not factors. If that is the conclusion the question becomes how do lawmakers react. I don't expect any major public interest in a report about an incident that would be years in the past when the report is released. And those that react may still be focused on gun control and false flag.

Instead of worrying about what might happen in the future I am more worried that we have come to a point where a large percentage of the American public believes the shootings were a conspiracy. Of course if it actually was a conspiracy we really have something to worry about. Whatever the case these are topics that are more important then a backlash that has never really happened yet. Also the real prejudices and discrimination we face are more important then a imagined backlash.


_________________
“Self Acceptance is a process not a performance”
“You are autistic enough. And you always have been”

Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity.


StarTrekker
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 22 Apr 2012
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,088
Location: Starship Voyager, somewhere in the Delta quadrant

13 Jan 2014, 3:00 am

AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
'If an African-American person commits a crime, are we going to therefore conclude that all African-Americans are criminals?'


Some bigoted and ignorant people come to precisely that conclusion. It's the reason there is still a branch of the Ku Klux Klan practising in Virginia. Also, you forget that being autistic is not the same as being black. Most people know that skin colour has nothing to do with mentality, but few people understand what AS really is, beyond a neurological disorder, and can easily come to the conclusion that it is similar to antisocial personality disorder, especially with the "aspies have no empathy" myth still so prevalent in society.


_________________
"Survival is insufficient" - Seven of Nine
Diagnosed with ASD level 1 on the 10th of April, 2014
Rediagnosed with ASD level 2 on the 4th of May, 2019
Thanks to Olympiadis for my fantastic avatar!


TheygoMew
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 3 Nov 2010
Age: 47
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,102

13 Jan 2014, 4:21 am

Most people could take a look at Adam's face and how much it changed along with his pupils and know, there was something more to the story than alleged aspergers. He looked like he was on drugs and kept in the basement for a long time.