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dianthus
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04 Feb 2014, 3:30 pm

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Oh, that was not what I meant by "lambs". Sorry about the misunderstanding.

I was talking about social situations between two adults, not an adult and a defenseless child.

What I meant was that when they are in a group they have no problem with bullying you, but when it is only you two, their courage has suddenly declined drastically. In that situation you can easily intimidate them, because they want to stay friends (they hate "ungrouping"), so if you insult them enough, they flee!! I have tried this myself when I had had enough. They flee when it gets serious between just you two, the lack of a group hurts them badly, the same way it hurts us to be bullied in a group.


Thanks for clearing that up, I understand what you mean now.

But adults can abuse adults too, not just children. Domestic abuse doesn't have to be tied into group dynamics, it can be just one person abusing another because they can. Women can be abused by their husbands, men can be abused by their wives. The elderly or disabled can be abused by their caregivers. Doctors, therapists, or nurses can abuse their patients. Psychopaths and narcissists can abuse almost anyone they come in contact with.

Yes bullying is different, it's more about showing off to a group. But the dynamics in abuse are the opposite. Abuse happens in private. Most abusers will put on an act in a group setting like nothing is wrong (unless the abuse is tied into group dynamics, like a cult or ritual group). They are more concerned with having a good image and usually the last thing they would want is to have anyone think they are a bully. Abusers are not safe to confront one on one, because that is where they do the most damage.



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04 Feb 2014, 4:21 pm

dianthus wrote:
qawer wrote:
Oh, that was not what I meant by "lambs". Sorry about the misunderstanding.

I was talking about social situations between two adults, not an adult and a defenseless child.

What I meant was that when they are in a group they have no problem with bullying you, but when it is only you two, their courage has suddenly declined drastically. In that situation you can easily intimidate them, because they want to stay friends (they hate "ungrouping"), so if you insult them enough, they flee!! I have tried this myself when I had had enough. They flee when it gets serious between just you two, the lack of a group hurts them badly, the same way it hurts us to be bullied in a group.


Thanks for clearing that up, I understand what you mean now.

But adults can abuse adults too, not just children. Domestic abuse doesn't have to be tied into group dynamics, it can be just one person abusing another because they can. Women can be abused by their husbands, men can be abused by their wives. The elderly or disabled can be abused by their caregivers. Doctors, therapists, or nurses can abuse their patients. Psychopaths and narcissists can abuse almost anyone they come in contact with.

Yes bullying is different, it's more about showing off to a group. But the dynamics in abuse are the opposite. Abuse happens in private. Most abusers will put on an act in a group setting like nothing is wrong (unless the abuse is tied into group dynamics, like a cult or ritual group). They are more concerned with having a good image and usually the last thing they would want is to have anyone think they are a bully. Abusers are not safe to confront one on one, because that is where they do the most damage.


Dianthus, I agree. In that context calling them lambs would be appallingly awful!



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04 Feb 2014, 7:23 pm

qawer wrote:
Dianthus, I agree. In that context calling them lambs would be appallingly awful!


Thanks again for clearing that up, sorry I misunderstood!