Do I look "ethnically ambiguous?"

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15 Feb 2014, 3:58 pm

That's so interesting! That's so cool!!

How does it work to get haplotyped?
Is it the 99$ ancestrydna pack?

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15 Feb 2014, 4:36 pm

yes it is!

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15 Feb 2014, 4:52 pm

Girlwithaspergers wrote:

I was haplotyped, actually. I am as follows:

28% Iberian
28% West European
19% British
7% Near Eastern
3% North African
3% Irish
2% Jewish

That's awesome. I was going to guess Jewish, Italian or Greek. I'm Jewish and I know I look ethnically ambiguous because people always ask me where I'm from and many are disappointed that I'm not what they thought I was , like Persian, for example. :lol:

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15 Feb 2014, 6:01 pm

Girlwithaspergers wrote:

I was haplotyped, actually. I am as follows:

28% Iberian
28% West European
19% British
7% Near Eastern
3% North African
3% Irish
2% Jewish

Score, right on the mark with my guess

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16 Feb 2014, 2:42 am

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Race isn't truly biological, anyway; it's more of a cultural thing. Like, here in the US, a person can be labeled "black" even though their features are closer to Caucasian, because they have a small detectable amount of African heritage, even though most of their ancestors came from Europe. And they can be culturally black, too, just lighter-skinned than most.

I know ethnic labels are cultural rather than biological, but that doesn't mean there aren't biological aspects to race. 23andme could tell from my genes that my ancestors came from Northern Europe without even seeing me. (They tell a lot of American Blacks they're mixed-race. Which a lot of Africans can tell by looking at them.)

Biological aspects yes; biologically determined, no. Some "races" are actually multiple groups of different ancestries; others encompass only parts of some genetically related groups. Race has more to do with culture than with ancestry--the connection with ancestry is there because people who share recent ancestry are more likely to also share culture than those who are more distantly related. There's overlap, certainly, but race isn't primarily biological because what humans pass on goes far beyond biology. Culture moves faster, changes faster. By the time genes catch up, culture has moved on ten times over.

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16 Feb 2014, 11:01 am

daydreamer84 wrote:

Girlwithaspergers wrote:

I was haplotyped, actually. I am as follows:

28% Iberian
28% West European
19% British
7% Near Eastern
3% North African
3% Irish
2% Jewish

Actually, being Jewish myself I can tell you that you may in fact be Persian to some extent because our people lived in Persia for quite some time after being kicked out of Israel.
I know that I have Persian features even though my most direct ancestors are Eastern European Jews, with one grandfather coming directly from Romania.
I have black (not dark brown, actually black) curly hair and blue eyes, a combination that historically only existed in two populations: the Persians and the Irish, and afaik none of my ancestors ever lived anywhere near Ireland.

The funny thing is, almost everyone thinks I'm Italian, Spanish, Portugese, Brazilian, or generally Latino.
Almost no one guesses I'm an Eastern European Jew or that I have historically Persian features.
Living in SoCal, Latinos sometimes come up to me and start speaking Spanish, just assuming I'll understand.
Then they look really confused when I answer in English with a news-caster's neutral American accent that I'm sorry but I don't speak Spanish.

Go figure.

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16 Feb 2014, 1:11 pm

Bodyles wrote:

daydreamer84 wrote:

Girlwithaspergers wrote:

I was haplotyped, actually. I am as follows:

28% Iberian
28% West European
19% British
7% Near Eastern
3% North African
3% Irish
2% Jewish

A lot of people guess that I'm Latina when I go to the States too. My direct ancestors are also Eastern European jews (from Russia and Lithuania) and this is what I look like:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HagTU8jX-B0[/youtube]

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16 Feb 2014, 6:15 pm

I was going with Greek or possible Jewish.

Looks like I wasn't far off.

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16 Feb 2014, 6:28 pm

Girlwithaspergers wrote:

I was haplotyped, actually. I am as follows:

28% Iberian
28% West European
19% British
7% Near Eastern
3% North African
3% Irish
2% Jewish

Irish??????

oh nooooooooes!

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16 Feb 2014, 6:31 pm

Girlwithaspergers wrote:

What would you say I look?

I can rule out Pure African, East Asian, And Indian.

I also must say you picked a good photo of yourself.

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16 Feb 2014, 9:47 pm

Girlwithaspergers wrote:

and I'm 10% Italian too lol

Im 12%,LOL.

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16 Feb 2014, 10:20 pm

Sorry this is kinda off-topic but I'm confused by the people saying "Jewish"...what does that mean? Where is "Jewland"? Do you mean Israeli? Is Jewish used to refer to a person from a particular region? I've never really understood it.

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16 Feb 2014, 10:44 pm

yellowtamarin wrote:

Gypsies, Jews, and other ethnic groups have debatable homelands and originals.

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16 Feb 2014, 10:44 pm

yellowtamarin wrote:

Gypsies, Jews, and other ethnic groups have debatable homelands and originals.

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17 Feb 2014, 8:58 am

yellowtamarin wrote:

Since Judaism generally encourages marriage of Jews with each other and they have been a minority in every country they lived in (until the refounding of Israel in the 20th century), over time a separate Jewish ethnic identity has emerged. It's not necessarily the same as being Israeli, a citizen of Israel who can be any colour and not always of the Jewish religion. There are plenty of Jews who have never lived in Israel and whose ancestors haven't lived there for almost 2000 years.

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17 Feb 2014, 10:18 am

Jojopa wrote:

yellowtamarin wrote:

That's correct.
I regard it as an ethnic identity, although Jewish can also reference people who believe in and follow the tennants of Judaism.
Both my parents were Jewish in this sense, and I was raised that way and had a bar Mitzvah, although I am non-practicing and never believed, even as a child.

I do, however, believe in, respect, and embrace my ethnic heritage as a Jew.
Also, I love Passover seders, because they're historical, inclusive, participatory, tasty, and you have to slouch and get drunk.
Best religious holiday ever, imho.

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