Do you think laziness actually exists?

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21 Feb 2014, 8:22 pm

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Or do you think "laziness" is just executive dysfunction or fatigue?


There are lazy people.

That doesn't mean that you can easily tell the difference, tho.

Innocent people can be wrongly called "lazy".


So what separates these groups? How could you tell? What's the difference in mentality? That's the meat of the question, that's what I want to know! If there is a difference as you say surely you can at least partially describe it. :-)


Someone who could do more but doesn't, a loafer, would be lazy.

One example would be someone who is on welfare, and makes no effort to become self-supporting. This would be compared to someone who struggles over a period of time to work and just doesn't have the mental or physical assets needed to be self supporting. One isn't trying. The other is trying, even if they're failing.


This is how I think of laziness too. I think people should be careful when labelling and judging others as lazy because they might not see that the other person is trying and just incapable of working in some way but I think there are some people who just simply don't try, don't care and are lazy.



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21 Feb 2014, 8:39 pm

I'm lazy. I identify as lazy and embrace it. I think it's good that I do or I might feel bad for being lazy, getting called lazy, and people could use accusations of laziness to try to manipulate me if I cared.

Whether my laziness is just plain old laziness or executive dysfunction or something else I don't know.

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21 Feb 2014, 8:50 pm

ouroborosUK wrote:
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I pretty much disagree with ourosboros completely :-p

I think laziness, without the negative connotation attached to it, is what anyone is who does not do a lot when there's no blatant physical or logistical impairment.

People who abuse the system or family simply because they can aren't being lazy so much as being very self-serving...selfish, decadent people have too much motivation to be lazy. It just doesn't fit with my definition of laziness.


OK, we clearly have very different definitions of the word, but I think we don't differ so much on the underlying ethics. See my previous answer to League_Girl.

I am sorry if my definition is strange, I am not a native English speaker and it sometimes makes me write or think in ways that are not idiomatic or natural to native English speakers. I really wish I had a better grasp on English etymology.


That's one of the slyest retorts I have ever seen. Mucho Respeto.



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21 Feb 2014, 8:50 pm

hanyo wrote:
I'm lazy. I identify as lazy and embrace it. I think it's good that I do or I might feel bad for being lazy, getting called lazy, and people could use accusations of laziness to try to manipulate me if I cared.


Agree!

As Bill Gates says:

"I choose a lazy person to do a hard job. Because a lazy person will find an easy way to do it."



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21 Feb 2014, 8:57 pm

krankes_hirn wrote:
hanyo wrote:
I'm lazy. I identify as lazy and embrace it. I think it's good that I do or I might feel bad for being lazy, getting called lazy, and people could use accusations of laziness to try to manipulate me if I cared.


Agree!

As Bill Gates says:

"I choose a lazy person to do a hard job. Because a lazy person will find an easy way to do it."


this is only right in a very bad way

a LAZY person gets someone else to do it for them and then reaps the benefit, this happens to me all the time.

efficient people are better they earn what they do but don't waste effort

and then there is the third category those who have some dysfunction and don't accomplish anything, they have no fault in my mind

the fourth category is the relaxed person - "I don't want to DO anything, but it is fine, I don't care if nothing gets done" these people have no fault in my mind either, everyone needs time off, this type of person just concentrates on off time.


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21 Feb 2014, 9:11 pm

I have long thought that there is no such thing as lazy. my mom's house was always messy. it was because she is a perfectionist and saw no use in cleaning if it couldn't be perfect. there is always an underlying reason why the person doesn't perform up to others' expectations.



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21 Feb 2014, 9:12 pm

I think laziness that is not a part of some sort of mental issue does exist....for instance I know how to use proper grammar and spelling and all that technical stuff but on forums I am more lazy with my typing. Hey if I am not writing a college paper or some other sort of important document I don't see the need to worry about 'perfect' spelling and grammar.

So yeah that is me actively not doing something simply because I don't feel like it....but much of the time when I might seem 'lazy' it is more of an issue of lack of motivation/energy, being over-stressed or anxiety holding me back and executive dysfunction.


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21 Feb 2014, 9:27 pm

There is nothing wrong with being lazy if your not hurting anyone or yourself.

Am I lazy for only working 3 days a week by choice and spending the rest of my time playing PC games? No, because I am happy. I pay my rent and bills, have left over money in the bank, and I don't bother anyone. If I said this to most people I assume they would think I was lazy.

Having Autism and OCD plus the stress involved I believe is a legitimate excuse for only working part time and keeping my life simple.


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21 Feb 2014, 9:47 pm

For me I'm lazy when I'm exhausted, depressed, or too scattered to organize myself. I've tried to take lazy days when I'm none of those things but I worry about sinking into a rut.

And I know that what I described is not laziness but executive dysfunction. I wish I could have a chance to be proper lazy but when I'm capable of doing something I'll do it before I become yet again incapable of doing it. Got to dig ADHD and depression.

I do wonder how many people not with any neurological or mental illness problems are truly lazy though.


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21 Feb 2014, 10:25 pm

Lazy: Doesn't do things that should or need to be done if they require effort or are unpleasant, but does everything else

Executive dysfunction: Doesn't do a range of things, including things that aren't difficult or unpleasant



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21 Feb 2014, 10:41 pm

There is no excuse for laziness, but I'm working on it.



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21 Feb 2014, 10:44 pm

For all I know, any person who is perceived as lazy may have some kind of neurological impairment or is neurologically different from people who are perceived as hard workers.
They may be victims of abuse or drug addiction or have a personality disorder that needs treatment or they may be depressed.
They may have been raised in poverty and don't know what it is like to be motivated to succeed.
Some people are hard workers who are always busy working, doing things, building things from dawn till dusk because they were raised to be that way, like some people who were raised on farms.
Some personality types may be more susceptible to laziness because they were born that way.
People who lack motivation lack motivation for a reason, whether it is executive dysfunction or something else.



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21 Feb 2014, 11:45 pm

Marybird wrote:
For all I know, any person who is perceived as lazy may have some kind of neurological impairment or is neurologically different from people who are perceived as hard workers.
They may be victims of abuse or drug addiction or have a personality disorder that needs treatment or they may be depressed.
They may have been raised in poverty and don't know what it is like to be motivated to succeed.
Some people are hard workers who are always busy working, doing things, building things from dawn till dusk because they were raised to be that way, like some people who were raised on farms.
Some personality types may be more susceptible to laziness because they were born that way.
People who lack motivation lack motivation for a reason, whether it is executive dysfunction or something else.


I was raised on the farm and then moved to the suburbs. I was forced by my father to help build all sorts of buildings and structures and verbally abused when I took to long or didn't understand something. Autism made it very difficult cause of poor executive function, difficulty understand verbal orders, and getting lost in details or daydreaming. I didn't know at the time it was autism and just figured I was stupid and lazy. Only until I started working and getting fired for working too slow at a lot of "hand on" jobs including construction did I begin to realize and connect Autism symptoms to it.


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22 Feb 2014, 12:41 am

Dreycrux wrote:
Marybird wrote:
For all I know, any person who is perceived as lazy may have some kind of neurological impairment or is neurologically different from people who are perceived as hard workers.
They may be victims of abuse or drug addiction or have a personality disorder that needs treatment or they may be depressed.
They may have been raised in poverty and don't know what it is like to be motivated to succeed.
Some people are hard workers who are always busy working, doing things, building things from dawn till dusk because they were raised to be that way, like some people who were raised on farms.
Some personality types may be more susceptible to laziness because they were born that way.
People who lack motivation lack motivation for a reason, whether it is executive dysfunction or something else.


I was raised on the farm and then moved to the suburbs. I was forced by my father to help build all sorts of buildings and structures and verbally abused when I took to long or didn't understand something. Autism made it very difficult cause of poor executive function, difficulty understand verbal orders, and getting lost in details or daydreaming. I didn't know at the time it was autism and just figured I was stupid and lazy. Only until I started working and getting fired for working too slow at a lot of "hand on" jobs including construction did I begin to realize and connect Autism symptoms to it.

My dad was raised on a farm and had that work ethic.
My brothers and I got called lazy and good for nothing when we couldn't live up to his standards. Especially me. I was so spacey.
I always admired my dad though, because he was always making things and doing things and growing things. He never sat around drinking beer and watching TV like other kids dads.



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22 Feb 2014, 2:58 am

Preoccupation and guilt tripping around laziness doesn't do democracy any good. The ability to think, and to do what you think is important, as opposed to what some capitalist who wants to exploit you, wants you to think is important, requires regular periods of calm reflection. Guilt and constant exhaustion are not fertile ground for this kind of thinking.



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22 Feb 2014, 6:42 am

I call mine laziness, no matter if it's executive dysfunction, ADD or whatever they call it.
I just have an excuse for my laziness, and that's the difference between me and lazy NTs.