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25 Mar 2014, 11:50 pm

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This is an example of what I mean by people getting offended over anything and for no reason.


I hear ya.

I think people just take everything said to them way too personally.

When I tell people my experience of mania I get shocked by them saying I may have been through worse than them. I don't get offended. I just didn't realise that I did have it so bad. And I appreciate it when people say those things to me.

I suppose people usually downplay my bipolar, anxiety, autism, ADHD etc. So when someone says I have it really bad I'm like 'FINALLY, SOMEONE GETS IT!'


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26 Mar 2014, 12:55 am

I don't find it offensive.
Some people might find it a bit insensitive, but the fact that someone was jumped on and berated for being possibly insensitive on an aspie site on a post about aspieness is a bit weird.

O hang on...... :wink:

Edited to add, some people just get indignant and offended because they can.



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26 Mar 2014, 1:02 am

league girl,
there is definitely a level of PCness going on in society, however is it up to any of us to say an individuals beliefs are based on PC or reality of what they think?
its possible for people to think anything and they coud really think like that.

those of us with low functioning autism continuously find it dehumanising and demoralising that some aspies will resent the autism label because they dont like being associated with us and our behavior-due to looking at us as a bunch of stereotypes and not people with individual presentations of autism, perhaps the specific aspie that were refering to believes the offendee had been saying similar things towards people with severe aspergers rather than being trapped in a PC mentality.

the offended person coud have been bullied directly due to having severe aspergers,she/he coud be recieving prejudice or discrimination in his/her community and all of this flavours how we percieve things to.

its to easy to assume everyone who gets offended by something that other people dont,are being PC.


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26 Mar 2014, 2:18 am

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I wonder how he'd feel if an NT told him they were glad they were just shy, not autistic like him.


I wouldn't mind at all. If they said they were shy and probably have AS, I'd roll my eye at them. Here we go again.

I'm glad I have manageable Asperger's because I am capable of having small talk with people, just not for very long. I feel like I'm not as blunt as other people with AS so I don't often offend people or get into unnecessary arguments with people because I understand why they responded the way they did, and though I have routines I can easily change them. It just gives me some relief that I no longer have to struggle as much with some things.

I'm just stating facts. If people find it offensive it's their problem.

Why can't we be glad we're mildly affected? We struggle less and can appreciate that. We're not putting others down. In a way we're empathizing more because we can see how we are differently affected than those people.

My bipolar symptoms aren't as severe as most people's bipolar symptoms and I'm grateful for that because I see them struggling to control the symptoms so much they have to be on meds for the rest of their life. They've been hospitalized too. I've never needed that so when I say I'm glad I don't want to have it worse because I'm thinking about how worse the symptoms could get for me and how that would interfere in my life.


The problem with people who are offended that others see the comment as insensitive is that they think it's about them, and that people are saying they're not allowed to be glad that they have what they do in life.

This thread is full of opportunities to stop and see what people are actually upset about.



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26 Mar 2014, 2:39 am

Without knowing the context and seeing the other comments, I was assuming that this was just one comment made. If it was a tirade about aspies are better than HFA or LFA then that would be seen as offensive. I don't see anything offensive about saying " I'm happy with who I am" .

I've seen people on this site who are diagnosed or identify as HFA or LFA who are a lot more insightful and articulate than myself, and are a lot happier in their own skin.

So, just to clarify.



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26 Mar 2014, 4:48 am

coffeebean wrote:
pensieve wrote:
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I wonder how he'd feel if an NT told him they were glad they were just shy, not autistic like him.


I wouldn't mind at all. If they said they were shy and probably have AS, I'd roll my eye at them. Here we go again.

I'm glad I have manageable Asperger's because I am capable of having small talk with people, just not for very long. I feel like I'm not as blunt as other people with AS so I don't often offend people or get into unnecessary arguments with people because I understand why they responded the way they did, and though I have routines I can easily change them. It just gives me some relief that I no longer have to struggle as much with some things.

I'm just stating facts. If people find it offensive it's their problem.

Why can't we be glad we're mildly affected? We struggle less and can appreciate that. We're not putting others down. In a way we're empathizing more because we can see how we are differently affected than those people.

My bipolar symptoms aren't as severe as most people's bipolar symptoms and I'm grateful for that because I see them struggling to control the symptoms so much they have to be on meds for the rest of their life. They've been hospitalized too. I've never needed that so when I say I'm glad I don't want to have it worse because I'm thinking about how worse the symptoms could get for me and how that would interfere in my life.


The problem with people who are offended that others see the comment as insensitive is that they think it's about them, and that people are saying they're not allowed to be glad that they have what they do in life.

This thread is full of opportunities to stop and see what people are actually upset about.


I'm not offended, just confused and exasperated.

That last part just confused me. I have attention and processing problems and it's just not getting through tonight.

In conclusion: people should just chill out. Don't make it such an issue and it doesn't become one.

It's so much easier to take things at face value. Less confusing too.


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26 Mar 2014, 4:59 am

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It's offensive because it comes across as selfish and insensitive to people who have it worse.


Kill me if you want: But as someone being short sighted, I am definitly happy that I am not blind.



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26 Mar 2014, 5:45 am

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dianthus wrote:
It's offensive because it comes across as selfish and insensitive to people who have it worse.


Kill me if you want: But as someone being short sighted, I am definitly happy that I am not blind.


I suppose saying it could be worse it like saying you can be happy with who you are despite your shortcomings.

I just don't think I could win this debate. There's just too many emotions involved.

It's perfectly fine for someone to say I might not be doing well financially but at least I don't live in a third world country. Don't most of us think that? I'm grateful that I live in a country with such tight gun laws because I'm a scaredy cat. I suppose it is kind of selfish as I'm only thinking about why it's good for me but that's not the same as being insensitive.

I'm sure the reason people find it so offensive will hit me soon.

For now I'll just say, 'Hmm. I sense I may have over crossed a line.'


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26 Mar 2014, 6:30 am

coffeebean wrote:
The problem with people who are offended that others see the comment as insensitive is that they think it's about them, and that people are saying they're not allowed to be glad that they have what they do in life.

This thread is full of opportunities to stop and see what people are actually upset about.


I think there's actually another problem, wherein people get angry if someone actually is offended, and rather than trying to understand why they instead try to coerce that person into not being offended, convince them it's wrong to be offended, use labels like "political correctness" to invalidate their reaction, etc.



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26 Mar 2014, 7:45 am

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I was on facebook and someone posted in a aspie group he is so glad he has the mildest case there is and some took offense to it. This is an example of what I mean by people getting offended over anything and for no reason. I just don't see anything to be offended about and I can't see what is so wrong with being glad you don't have moderate AS or severe AS or have it as bad as others with it.

I agree completely. It's perfectly okay to say, and how can anyone feel anything else about being a milder case?
People will get offended by everything. :roll:

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Does anyone else understand? Would this offend you too if someone said it, if so why?

No, I don't understand it and I will also say that I'm glad I'm not more afflicted than I am. Whenever I read about AS things that I don't have I'm glad I don't have that particular AS problem. I'm glad I've never had a meltdown, don't have sensory issues besides food (and that will never overwhelm me in any way; stop eating it or force it down and problem solved), I'm glad I get jokes and don't take everything literally. It'd be insane if I didn't feel that way!
There are a zillion diseases and conditions I'm glad I don't have, and there are lots of hereditary stuff I'm glad isn't in my family.

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I wonder how he'd feel if an NT told him they were glad they were just shy, not autistic like him
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I wouldn't have been the least bit offended if anyone said that to me. Who wants autism or Aspergers? I would probably respond with something like "Yeah, you should be, you have no idea how lucky you really are."

Likewise I have somewhat severe asthma and if another asthmatic told me they were glad they were less afflicted than me I wouldn't take offense, nor would I be offended if someone without asthma said they were glad they didn't have it.


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26 Mar 2014, 8:46 am

Verdandi wrote:
coffeebean wrote:
The problem with people who are offended that others see the comment as insensitive is that they think it's about them, and that people are saying they're not allowed to be glad that they have what they do in life.

This thread is full of opportunities to stop and see what people are actually upset about.


I think there's actually another problem, wherein people get angry if someone actually is offended, and rather than trying to understand why they instead try to coerce that person into not being offended, convince them it's wrong to be offended, use labels like "political correctness" to invalidate their reaction, etc.


I agree with this.



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26 Mar 2014, 10:36 am

opal wrote:
Without knowing the context and seeing the other comments, I was assuming that this was just one comment made. If it was a tirade about aspies are better than HFA or LFA then that would be seen as offensive. I don't see anything offensive about saying " I'm happy with who I am" .

I've seen people on this site who are diagnosed or identify as HFA or LFA who are a lot more insightful and articulate than myself, and are a lot happier in their own skin.

So, just to clarify.


Someone just flat out posted in a Facebook group as their OP message "im glad I have the mildest case of aspergers there is" Some people stood up for the OP including me saying the same thing about how is it offensive and it;s like saying I am glad my anxiety isn't severe and I am glad my cancer is mild or don't have to deal with lot of sensory issues and it wouldn't offend me if someone said they are glad they don't have AS. Some other members have turned the discussion into a joke.

One thing I don't understand is why people are under the impression that mild means no symptoms and no impairments because the first response the guy got for his comment was if he was really that mild, he would probably be aware it would offend people who are more severe.


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26 Mar 2014, 10:51 am

pensieve wrote:
Schneekugel wrote:
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It's offensive because it comes across as selfish and insensitive to people who have it worse.


Kill me if you want: But as someone being short sighted, I am definitly happy that I am not blind.


I suppose saying it could be worse it like saying you can be happy with who you are despite your shortcomings.

I just don't think I could win this debate. There's just too many emotions involved.

It's perfectly fine for someone to say I might not be doing well financially but at least I don't live in a third world country. Don't most of us think that? I'm grateful that I live in a country with such tight gun laws because I'm a scaredy cat. I suppose it is kind of selfish as I'm only thinking about why it's good for me but that's not the same as being insensitive.

I'm sure the reason people find it so offensive will hit me soon.

For now I'll just say, 'Hmm. I sense I may have over crossed a line.'



I have seen people say online about being poor "I will never complain about being broke again" after reading a thread about what being poor is like and what they go through and it makes other people realize they are not in a bad spot as they thought they were. Just because they don't have any money, at least they still can pay for food, gas, bills, and not have to have anything shut off or pay any late fees or not not be able to take their kid to school because of no money for gas and not not enough gas to take them there and then going home or making their kids go hungry because they cannot afford a meal on the table that night or not not being able to buy them new clothes or shoes they are outgrowing because of no money.

When I saw an article online about someone being charged $11,000 for medical after their health insurance. It made me think I will never complain about my medical bills again and I had a break down over a $230 medical bill?" Now it all felt so silly because next time I get a medical bill, I will remember that medical bill someone got and not get upset over it because at least I can pay it off with return taxes or pay it all off at once or pay it little at a time while that guy may not be able to pay it off because it's like buying a new car and what if he can't afford $11,000 like some people can when they buy a new car. I did see people posting about it saying how much they only had to pay for theirs or none at all because of their universal healthcare in Canada or Australia. I think those people thought how messed up the bill was and our healthcare.

Sometimes we don't realize how bad it could be until we hear about it and then we feel thankful ours is not that bad. I used to think my childhood was bad and my bullying I got until I started to hear about child abuse and then about bullying in the media and it made me realize my childhood was pretty normal, the bullying I got wasn't bad at all. I was never beaten up for one. I never had any of my projects ruined or my school work for two. But yet it still affected me. But I can still be glad I didn't have it bad as some other kids and it's something I can be happy about but I still find it sad what some kids have to go through and I am sure they would think I am so lucky because I didn't get what they got for bullying. My husband thinks I was lucky because I got attention and was noticed and everyone just ignored him and always walked away and I said he was lucky because I would rather have gotten that instead. But getting either one can hurt just as bad. It's a matter of looking at what you would rather have if you had to pick between the two and I would pick being ignored than teased.


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26 Mar 2014, 10:53 am

Verdandi wrote:
coffeebean wrote:
The problem with people who are offended that others see the comment as insensitive is that they think it's about them, and that people are saying they're not allowed to be glad that they have what they do in life.

This thread is full of opportunities to stop and see what people are actually upset about.


I think there's actually another problem, wherein people get angry if someone actually is offended, and rather than trying to understand why they instead try to coerce that person into not being offended, convince them it's wrong to be offended, use labels like "political correctness" to invalidate their reaction, etc.



I never used the word, KOR did. It's always a word people bring up when a topic is about people being offended.


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26 Mar 2014, 11:12 am

Doesn't really bother me.



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26 Mar 2014, 1:38 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
coffeebean wrote:
The problem with people who are offended that others see the comment as insensitive is that they think it's about them, and that people are saying they're not allowed to be glad that they have what they do in life.

This thread is full of opportunities to stop and see what people are actually upset about.


I think there's actually another problem, wherein people get angry if someone actually is offended, and rather than trying to understand why they instead try to coerce that person into not being offended, convince them it's wrong to be offended, use labels like "political correctness" to invalidate their reaction, etc.



I never used the word, KOR did. It's always a word people bring up when a topic is about people being offended.

yeah,hand up here.
but in this e-climate easily getting offended over anything and everything usualy refers to political correctness.
am of the same view as verdandi though
and think peoples views are invalidated with PC refences from people who dont understand what its like to feel a reaction to,instead of thinking perhaps people have truly independant reasons for thinking the way they do and it doesnt make them PC or a sensitive flower.


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