IQ is not directly related to functioning level

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29 Mar 2014, 6:33 pm

I think they should just seperate IQ, severity of autistic symptoms and functioning level. I know that there is people that have a high IQ and mild autistic symptoms, but a lower functioning level. I think that would allow more people to get help because there is probably a lot of people who can't quailfy for any diagnosis, but don't have a high functioning level.

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29 Mar 2014, 6:54 pm

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If they have a high IQ and mild Autism, what is causing the low functioning? Something besides Autism?

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29 Mar 2014, 6:58 pm

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If they have a high IQ and mild Autism, what is causing the low functioning? Something besides Autism?

Yes. It could be depression, anxiety, ADHD, a physical problem, executive dysfunction or some mysterious problem. I know a lot of people consider some of that stuff "part of the autism", but I prefer to consider them seperate problems because those things can also effect NTs just as badly.

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29 Mar 2014, 7:07 pm

It generally is (lots of studies done on it).

Though average people misinterpret all the terms they use, like "high" and "low".

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29 Mar 2014, 7:10 pm

Dillogic wrote:

It generally is (lots of studies done on it).

Though average people misinterpret all the terms they use, like "high" and "low".

Just because it generally is doesn't mean it's directly related. What I meant to say was that IQ is a poor way to determine functioning level or severity of autistic symptoms.

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29 Mar 2014, 7:11 pm

Actually, research I've read indicates that autism and ADHD in combination is statistically more severe than autism or ADHD alone, and that people with both have impairments that don't exist in people with just one.

That's not the only comorbidity that's like that.

There are also issues such as sensory processing that are widely accepted to be a part of autism, that have a dramatic impact on functioning. It's too easy to just dismiss particular problems as specifically due to comorbidity, but I think that things are more complex than that.

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29 Mar 2014, 7:42 pm

I doubt the percent of those with ASD who have legitimate ADHD is very high.

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29 Mar 2014, 10:24 pm

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I doubt the percent of those with ASD who have legitimate ADHD is very high.

That's because you have no idea what you're talking about. The lowest percentage I've seen in peer-reviewed research is 30% of people diagnosed with ASD also meet the criteria for ADHD. Other studies approach 50%. One went as high as 70%.

I mean, consider the source: You're the guy who thinks that people who display actual symptoms of ADHD don't really have it because, due to those symptoms, you see them as "lazy." I'd sooner rely on my cat for medical advice.

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29 Mar 2014, 10:34 pm

Sorry but I have seen too many lazy people diagnosed with ADHD and use it as an excuse.

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30 Mar 2014, 12:03 am

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Sorry but I have seen too many lazy people diagnosed with ADHD and use it as an excuse.

See? You did it again. Because you don't know what you're talking about.

Take this:

http://www.adultadhdblog.com/2014/01/22 ... t-lazy-22/

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Yet another common struggle for adults with ADHD is being perceived as “lazy” or lacking willpower. Truth is, we’re absolutely full of passion and the desire to achieve goals in life, but our brains can hurt us as symptoms rear their ugly heads. We change our minds a lot, go toward goals at a hundred miles an hour sometimes, and burnout just as fast once we realize that the decision to pursue a specific goal might not have been the best one after all. We can easily lose interest once we see that the pursuit we thought was our calling isn’t all we thought it was cracked up to be, and we can race into decisions like these quite often if we aren’t careful to take a moment to research the goal after the initial excitement has worn off! This is also how those with ADHD often spend money on spontaneous, regretful purchases, but that’s another blog post. You can no doubt see the pattern here.

What you're doing is something that frequently happens to people with ADHD - adults and children. Saying that they're lazy because you think your ignorance makes you an authority to determine that someone is lazy rather than legitimately having ADHD does not reflect reality.

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30 Mar 2014, 5:06 am

I played chess regularly with a man who was severely autistic, whom I knew for some time - he never spoke a full sentence for me. But he was a master in every sense of the word at chess.

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30 Mar 2014, 8:37 am

DevilKisses wrote:

wozeree wrote:

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If they have a high IQ and mild Autism, what is causing the low functioning? Something besides Autism?

Comorbidity. PTSD, a lot of the time. Anxiety disorders. Social isolation and stress leading to loss of self-help skills. That's what happened to Mark Wood--he had Asperger's and so was presumably verbal, and was living on his own; but when they took his benefits, he started going downhill and starved. He had anxiety problems as well as the autism. They thought he could work, and he obviously couldn't. He needed support and didn't get it because they thought that Asperger's equals "oh, he's a little socially awkward; no problem, get yourself back to work, lazybones." It was nothing less than murder.

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01 Apr 2014, 9:39 am

I read an article about a recent study from a Scandanavian university about IQ and outcomes in relationships and employment.

It appears that IQ is no predictor of success - the so-called "low functioning" and "high functioning" groups had similar statistical results - i.e. the majority of each group struggled to secure employment or find partners, mainly single and unemployed / underemployed.

I can't seem to find a link though...

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01 Apr 2014, 5:56 pm

Was it this?

https://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/news ... -as-adults

I started a thread about this a year or two ago, but it didn't get much positive response.

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01 Apr 2014, 6:17 pm

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If my functioning level correlated with my level of intelligence....I'd probably be functional enough to hold a job.

I have verbal language problems (writing uses a different part of the brain), I can't handle routine changes, I have sensory issues, and have a nonexistant social intuition. Because I have a high IQ, I can work and do an excellent job as a computer engineer. If I had an IQ of 100, I don't think I'd be able to speak in coherent sentences (which can still be difficult with an IQ of almost 150 when on the autistic spectrum), much less graduate from college and mechanically learn basic social skills.

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02 Apr 2014, 6:46 am

Verdandi wrote:

Was it this?

https://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/news ... -as-adults

I started a thread about this a year or two ago, but it didn't get much positive response.

Thank you, Verdandi! That was the exact same article I was trying to find.

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