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cubedemon6073
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29 Apr 2014, 4:13 pm

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My parents will call anyone crazy who does abuse or killings.


And by crazy do they mean someone with mental problems? If so they are being inaccurate....since in reality mentally ill people are no more likely to abuse or kill anyone than anyone else. Not to mention statistically mentally ill people are more likely to be the victims of violent crimes than the perpetrators.


Sweetleaf, I am beginning to think most people do not use words in an accurate or dictionary based. Words are interchanged with each other without looking at the dictionary definition of them. I think they're used in a cultural context sort of way.

For example, when people in everyday America used the word "ret*d" for the most part they're not referring to IQ. One possible meaning within certain contexts means doing something rash without really thinking it through. It could mean that something is unpleasant or boring.

My point is people are not very careful with their choice of words and do not put much thought to them.



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29 Apr 2014, 5:19 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
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My parents will call anyone crazy who does abuse or killings.


And by crazy do they mean someone with mental problems? If so they are being inaccurate....since in reality mentally ill people are no more likely to abuse or kill anyone than anyone else. Not to mention statistically mentally ill people are more likely to be the victims of violent crimes than the perpetrators.


Sweetleaf, I am beginning to think most people do not use words in an accurate or dictionary based. Words are interchanged with each other without looking at the dictionary definition of them. I think they're used in a cultural context sort of way.

For example, when people in everyday America used the word "ret*d" for the most part they're not referring to IQ. One possible meaning within certain contexts means doing something rash without really thinking it through. It could mean that something is unpleasant or boring.

My point is people are not very careful with their choice of words and do not put much thought to them.


Hmm I know it has been used in the context of low IQ, though typically its meant to be insulting when used in that context it seems. Aside from that it means slow, essentially so in the context of someone doing something rash without thinking it through doesn't fit in my mind. But yeah it does seem a lot of words get thrown around without people really knowing quite what they mean, or the full implications of what words they choose.


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29 Apr 2014, 8:02 pm

Unfortunately this is often the case, thats why Im moving away from the awareness industry.



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29 Apr 2014, 10:10 pm

It seems that its one of those people that sadly have gotten into the mind set of them vs us. Its actually kinda dangerous imo.

Best to just try and ignore him and not take it too seriously and get worked up about it.



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30 Apr 2014, 12:34 am

I understand the parents desire to be there, obviously, but I do see his point. The conversation is different when you are among a group of people like you (whether it's by gender, race, age, sexuality, or whatever characteristic). It's just a fact. There should be mixed spaces that include parents and people with ASD, as well as, groups that are just for people with ASD.



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30 Apr 2014, 11:59 am

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cubedemon6073 wrote:
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While I don't agree with their conduct they probably had a lot of negative experiences from NTs, bullying etc.

I don't think it's nice that you call them nutcases. It's not a very nice term to use full stop.

As some who has been through psychosis I don't really like hearing the non-mentally ill throwing those words around. They don't know what it means to really be psychotic. They always apply it to someone who goes off on a rant, and their statement is incorrect.

If people in a group bother you then block them or leave the group.

I'm glad I don't spend that much time in the autistic community anymore. There are people who think they are more superior than anyone without AS, and yes they are annoying. If they really get under your skin then maybe it's best to take a bit of time away from them.


Nutcase doesn't mean psychotic or really any kind of diagnosed problem. It just means nutcase. A diagnosed problem means mentally ill. I didn't say they were mentally ill, which is what psychosis would be. Nutcases means just crazy in a nonspecific way. Just because it's not a diagnosis doesn't mean it's not real.I wish people would stop taking everything so personally. Thats one of the problems nowdays. I called somebody else a nutcase and because you were dx'd psychotic before it offends you. I didn't call you a nutcase. I wouldn't have called you a nutcase, I would have called you psychotic. There is a difference, and I know what it is, and a lot of people do. Stop assuming that we all mean the lowest possible common denominator insult ok? You are not the be all and end all of words and their interpretations and intent. I said exactly what I meant and I stand by it. Not all crazy people even have or could get a dx. Some people are just flat out crazy, nonspecific. Chill. Put down the armor and the sword of verbal justice please. Not everybody means something offensive just because they speak outside of your lexicon.


I would like to try to understand this. I understand your background and how you developed some of your beliefs. Your beliefs are similar to other conservative styled beliefs. This is where I become confused and I am really trying to understand your reasoning because it seems so inconsistent.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here but please accept that I am truthfully confused and intend no offense. It seems like other people taking offense to certain things seem to bother you, offend you and you seem to take this personally. If we're not supposed to take things personally then wouldn't it be logically inconsistent to take this personally and let it bother you at all? I don't get it.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt226763.html

This post that you made is similar to the concept the point I'm trying to make and I am still confused. If "life being unfair" is some kind of universal law that must be accepted as truth then wouldn't the principal canceling be a form of "unfairness of life?" If it is then why complain about the unfairness of this and get offended? None of this should bother you at all, yet it does. I can't put any rhyme or reason to this and I feel like I'm missing a premise(s) that could help me to draw a conclusion to all of this.

Again, I do understand your historical background; does it have to do with your historical background and the emotions that developed as you grew up? My neurology tends towards a logical/philosophical way so my natural inclination is to look for contradictions and inconsistencies in a given system. Am I approaching this in a fallacious way and if yes what is the fallacy in logic that I'm committing?

Maybe it has to do with my personality type. http://www.16personalities.com/intp-personality

This subject is very interesting to me..I do not think the phenomena has that much to do with personality type, but just a common error of emotional 'logic.' A lot of people do it.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6029022.html#6029022

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Yes, people may complain about things that seem really trivial - as the OP complained about - but the trivia can be symbolic of much deeper distress that they do not feel safe enough, or accepted enough to voice.


This comment really bothers me, as maybe the complaint the op is making is symbolic of some deeper distress he is experiencing, so why not just listen to him????????



A message that followed on that thread by KingdomOfRats was also touching on this subject, and I wanted to reply and was very excited about it, but for me the conversation on that thread deteriorated, so I do not want to participate there right now.

Imo I do not think it is important to understand why a particular individual does it, and again, I think a very lot of people do it, but rather to understand the general principles of how this kind of thing works. Personally I think it has to do with a certain discrepancy factor of human.brain function. You know sometimes things do not work perfectly but just work the best they can. Human understanding is is a work in progress,and it is possible for an individual to fine tune the way his own brain works. We can get new ideas from enquiry, and in this respect logic is one of the main tools, plus, imo, self-observation and introspection and also following the golden rule.. I do think that for someone who has had a very difficult time and been through great suffering as so many here have, including myself, then certain ways of perceiving things that are happening can be exaggerated and lopsided.

But yes, if this perspective you mention is employed equally from both ends of the stick, then it leads to non-think and if it is employed from only one end of the stick then it can create a big distortion.