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10 May 2014, 1:56 am

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Being non conformist can manifest in a peaceful way. It just means not going along with the crowd. Why always take it to be violent or destructive or negative or about being rebellious


Bumble - I'm not sure that there is anything on this thread about violence or destruction. But if you or I or anyone else chooses not to go along with the crowd, and then gets into difficulty, then I'm not sure why we should feel able to expect the crowd to come back and save us.


We shouldn't. But that's no reason for the crowd to bully us and obstruct as at every step.
"Live and let live" shouldn't be so hard for people to grasp.


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10 May 2014, 3:03 am

I'm having a little trouble following this because I don't know what kind of conformity is being objected to.
But do you think a rebelling against the "Evil NT's" mentality is going to help us any? I mean doesn't that just give us a sigma of being Adam Lanza types?



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10 May 2014, 7:30 pm

EzraS wrote:
I'm having a little trouble following this because I don't know what kind of conformity is being objected to.
But do you think a rebelling against the "Evil NT's" mentality is going to help us any? I mean doesn't that just give us a sigma of being Adam Lanza types?

I agree. Making other people wrong, is a huge waste of time and energy. My mother wanted me to "get along" with other people. "Try to understand," she'd say. Or, "Just go along." "Be there at the end." She wouldn't make me wrong, but she would make other's... especially my peers, wrong either.


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10 May 2014, 7:38 pm

EzraS wrote:
I'm having a little trouble following this because I don't know what kind of conformity is being objected to.
But do you think a rebelling against the "Evil NT's" mentality is going to help us any? I mean doesn't that just give us a sigma of being Adam Lanza types?


Rebelling against stigma against people with autism isn't exactly the same thing as a shooting rampage...don't think anyone here is advocating anything like that. If even expressing anger over the issue makes us Adam Lanza types well that is another thing society needs to address such as why might people become Adam Lanza types?....sure there are some psychopaths in the world with a violent mentality that might do something like that, but then sometimes its someone going off the deep end because they cannot handle being pushed around by society, though a large majority of people who feel like that end up attempting or succeeding at suicide without doing anything to anyone else sometimes it turns into horrific violence.


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11 May 2014, 2:00 pm

The way I see it is that there's good and bad in everyone. There are many people both ASD and NT who are very decent and accepting people. There are also people both ASD and NT who can be complete jerks. I also feel that not all NTs are evil. I think that all people need to work together to make a world that is more accepting towards everybody. The best way the human population can do this as a whole is by educating one another. The more everybody learns from each other, the more able we will be to accept one another as we are as individuals.


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11 May 2014, 2:38 pm

Many people have the idea that forcing autistic people to conform is the way to make them function in the world or even the way to "cure" them. That is not actually true, and sometimes forcing them to conform (e.g. by not letting them stim) may even make it more difficult to function.



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11 May 2014, 7:38 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
The way I see it is that there's good and bad in everyone. There are many people both ASD and NT who are very decent and accepting people. There are also people both ASD and NT who can be complete jerks. I also feel that not all NTs are evil. I think that all people need to work together to make a world that is more accepting towards everybody. The best way the human population can do this as a whole is by educating one another. The more everybody learns from each other, the more able we will be to accept one another as we are as individuals.


Well said.


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11 May 2014, 7:52 pm

My family is always upset with me because I cannot conform to their standards or societies standards. They do not believe there is anything wrong with me but they have never understood me either. They tell me I'm being either being lazy or I'm being an a-hole.

To this day my father can't understand why I can't get a job and live financially independent.

If someone has ASD but is always seen as an NT but never been taught how to socialize or gain the necessary skills to obtain a job, how are they supposed to function in society? They cannot conform because they were never given the opportunity to function normally.



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11 May 2014, 9:01 pm

Jamesy wrote:
I am angry with society for making people like myself with autism conform.

I really want to step up to the people in charge and tell them that making ASD people conform is pointless.

Anything I can do?


I don't quite understand, who's telling you to conform? I don't know where you live, but here in Australia, we're all free to walk around and act however we like. You might get some strange looks here if you act particularly "Aspie" but I can deal with that. All my life, I've danced to the beat of my own drum and been very proud of that, that I'm not a people pleaser, a crowd follower, an approval seeker.

You can act however you like and only you will stop you - based on how you react to others' reactions but if you ignore other people, you'll find a freedom never before imagined. Perhaps it takes time and age with some.

People will be people - the slightest behaviour outside the norm and some people will try and embarrass you by staring at you or commenting about your behaviour (mainly because they're narrow minded) They do this to try and make you act more "acceptable" and to conform but in the end, You're really free to act however you want.

These days, they cater far more for people with ASD. Especially in education. Special schools, special classes, specially trained teachers. Try growing up in the 60's-70's. There was nothing special about it. We were just seen as trouble makers, spoilt brats, quiet, weird, antisocial loners ( :roll: ) - what can I say.


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