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25 May 2014, 8:39 pm

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When I first heard of this shooting I immediately Google searched Elliot Rodgers picture to see why girls didn't like him. I noticed that his lips are puffed up like they were stun by a bee and his eyes are too small with brownish circles around them. Makes sense why girls dont want him. No amount of armani sunglasses or bmw's could help him. Its a shame some people are born ugly.


I definitely wouldn't describe him as ugly. Not flawless, but not ugly either - actually, far from it. As a gay guy, I'd have done him. Could have rid him of his virginity complex. :P Too bad he wasn't gay, wouldn't have been nearly as difficult to find a gay guy to be with vs. his failed interactions with women. Obviously that's mainly because there are a lot of gay guys into casual sex.


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25 May 2014, 8:52 pm

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Dreycrux wrote:
When I first heard of this shooting I immediately Google searched Elliot Rodgers picture to see why girls didn't like him. I noticed that his lips are puffed up like they were stun by a bee and his eyes are too small with brownish circles around them. Makes sense why girls dont want him. No amount of armani sunglasses or bmw's could help him. Its a shame some people are born ugly.


I definitely wouldn't describe him as ugly. Not flawless, but not ugly either - actually, far from it. As a gay guy, I'd have done him. Could have rid him of his virginity complex. :P Too bad he wasn't gay, wouldn't have been nearly as difficult to find a gay guy to be with vs. his failed interactions with women. Obviously that's mainly because there are a lot of gay guys into casual sex.


I will be very straighforward and I hope I don't upset anyone ... I think he was good looking, but he looks very feminine, and I wouldn't be surprised if the girls thought he was gay (no offense goldfish, nothing wrong with being gay).


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25 May 2014, 9:12 pm

its strange,have read a few different articles on this as well as his life story AKA his manifesto,and instead of focusing on the unstable life he has led;constantly moving around different countries/areas/schools , seeing his parents divorce and going back and forth between both,the parents both fighting for his attention by plying him with expensive gifts and exclusive treats....they have instead focused on aspergers, when he supposedly has pyschosis,depression and social anxiety as well-why blame a label? since when are human being behavior and personalities that simple?

where is the focus on his severe inferiority complex and narcisism which both seem to be at the core of his troubles,from a very young age he saw himself as inferior to everyone which then made him resent the people.

where is the focus on the way his parents had always plyed gifts on him to make up for lousy;often abscent parenting?
his dysfunctional understanding of what having parents means has caused him to feel deep self entitlement and a belief that he is better than other people and to view everyone as a threat on his entitlement.

he doesnt deserve sympathy like some people on WP have incredibly given him; its those he killed who need the sympathy of the autistic community.
however,it is good to get to know why he did what he did as it might help make people aware of anyone around them who is highly vulnerable to the beliefs of 'going postal' or to help improve the mental health system for people with multiple conditions, illnesses and dysfunctional upbringings.


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25 May 2014, 9:19 pm

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When I first heard of this shooting I immediately Google searched Elliot Rodgers picture to see why girls didn't like him. I noticed that his lips are puffed up like they were stun by a bee and his eyes are too small with brownish circles around them. Makes sense why girls dont want him. No amount of armani sunglasses or bmw's could help him. Its a shame some people are born ugly.


I definitely wouldn't describe him as ugly. Not flawless, but not ugly either - actually, far from it. As a gay guy, I'd have done him. Could have rid him of his virginity complex. :P Too bad he wasn't gay, wouldn't have been nearly as difficult to find a gay guy to be with vs. his failed interactions with women. Obviously that's mainly because there are a lot of gay guys into casual sex.


I will be very straighforward and I hope I don't upset anyone ... I think he was good looking, but he looks very feminine, and I wouldn't be surprised if the girls thought he was gay (no offense goldfish, nothing wrong with being gay).


None taken. And I agree with you.

Just FYI I don't "look," or act gay/feminine - but I know a lot of gay guys that are much, much, "gayer," than I am & fully get why you'd get a gay vibe from his somewhat effeminate appearance.


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25 May 2014, 9:24 pm

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its strange,have read a few different articles on this as well as his life story AKA his manifesto,and instead of focusing on the unstable life he has led;constantly moving around different countries/areas/schools , seeing his parents divorce and going back and forth between both,the parents both fighting for his attention by plying him with expensive gifts and exclusive treats....they have instead focused on aspergers, when he supposedly has pyschosis,depression and social anxiety as well-why blame a label? since when are human being behavior and personalities that simple?

where is the focus on his severe inferiority complex and narcisism which both seem to be at the core of his troubles,from a very young age he saw himself as inferior to everyone which then made him resent the people.

where is the focus on the way his parents had always plyed gifts on him to make up for lousy;often abscent parenting?
his dysfunctional understanding of what having parents means has caused him to feel deep self entitlement and a belief that he is better than other people and to view everyone as a threat on his entitlement.

he doesnt deserve sympathy like some people on WP have incredibly given him; its those he killed who need the sympathy of the autistic community.
however,it is good to get to know why he did what he did as it might help make people aware of anyone around them who is highly vulnerable to the beliefs of 'going postal' or to help improve the mental health system for people with multiple conditions, illnesses and dysfunctional upbringings.


Also simply the fact that he displayed so many warning signs but almost nobody seemed to step in. Its true that he doesn't deserve sympathy, but he did deserve help, and those who perished would have deserved to see him get help.



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25 May 2014, 9:37 pm

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he doesnt deserve sympathy like some people on WP have incredibly given him; its those he killed who need the sympathy of the autistic community.


I'm definitely not giving him sympathy.


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25 May 2014, 9:41 pm

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Dreycrux wrote:
When I first heard of this shooting I immediately Google searched Elliot Rodgers picture to see why girls didn't like him. I noticed that his lips are puffed up like they were stun by a bee and his eyes are too small with brownish circles around them. Makes sense why girls dont want him. No amount of armani sunglasses or bmw's could help him. Its a shame some people are born ugly.


I definitely wouldn't describe him as ugly. Not flawless, but not ugly either - actually, far from it. As a gay guy, I'd have done him. Could have rid him of his virginity complex. :P Too bad he wasn't gay, wouldn't have been nearly as difficult to find a gay guy to be with vs. his failed interactions with women. Obviously that's mainly because there are a lot of gay guys into casual sex.


I will be very straighforward and I hope I don't upset anyone ... I think he was good looking, but he looks very feminine, and I wouldn't be surprised if the girls thought he was gay (no offense goldfish, nothing wrong with being gay).


None taken. And I agree with you.

Just FYI I don't "look," or act gay/feminine - but I know a lot of gay guys that are much, much, "gayer," than I am & fully get why you'd get a gay vibe from his somewhat effeminate appearance.


Very true, you really can't tell just from someone's appearance. And the same is true for gay (and "straight") women as well, some look more masculine and others very feminine. :)


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25 May 2014, 10:04 pm

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its strange,have read a few different articles on this as well as his life story AKA his manifesto,and instead of focusing on the unstable life he has led;constantly moving around different countries/areas/schools , seeing his parents divorce and going back and forth between both,the parents both fighting for his attention by plying him with expensive gifts and exclusive treats....they have instead focused on aspergers, when he supposedly has pyschosis,depression and social anxiety as well-why blame a label? since when are human being behavior and personalities that simple?

where is the focus on his severe inferiority complex and narcisism which both seem to be at the core of his troubles,from a very young age he saw himself as inferior to everyone which then made him resent the people.

where is the focus on the way his parents had always plyed gifts on him to make up for lousy;often abscent parenting?
his dysfunctional understanding of what having parents means has caused him to feel deep self entitlement and a belief that he is better than other people and to view everyone as a threat on his entitlement.

he doesnt deserve sympathy like some people on WP have incredibly given him; its those he killed who need the sympathy of the autistic community.
however,it is good to get to know why he did what he did as it might help make people aware of anyone around them who is highly vulnerable to the beliefs of 'going postal' or to help improve the mental health system for people with multiple conditions, illnesses and dysfunctional upbringings.


Also simply the fact that he displayed so many warning signs but almost nobody seemed to step in. Its true that he doesn't deserve sympathy, but he did deserve help, and those who perished would have deserved to see him get help.

agreed, he mentions in his manifesto a number of mental health profesionals who were involved with him,but for some reason they kept changing or being dropped;not by him but other causes am quite confused by. :?
something clearly went wrong....then the police turn up a week or so before the murders after seeing his videos-how coud they not see he was going to 'go postal',or did they not bother actualy looking at the videos themselves?
from those videos,they shoud have routinely sectioned him to do a thorough pysch assessment but he told them they had made a misjudgement and all is well.

he was let down and all the people he killed were let down.
his depression seems to really show through in his manifesto-this isnt something have often repeated but can personaly relate being homicidal in thinking from having had untreated severe depression,the difference between us both is am in full time specialist care and eventualy got the medication once they realised how had thought from reading the blog.


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25 May 2014, 10:10 pm

KingdomOfRats wrote:
its strange,have read a few different articles on this as well as his life story AKA his manifesto,and instead of focusing on the unstable life he has led;constantly moving around different countries/areas/schools , seeing his parents divorce and going back and forth between both,the parents both fighting for his attention by plying him with expensive gifts and exclusive treats....they have instead focused on aspergers, when he supposedly has pyschosis,depression and social anxiety as well-why blame a label? since when are human being behavior and personalities that simple?

where is the focus on his severe inferiority complex and narcisism which both seem to be at the core of his troubles,from a very young age he saw himself as inferior to everyone which then made him resent the people.

where is the focus on the way his parents had always plyed gifts on him to make up for lousy;often abscent parenting?
his dysfunctional understanding of what having parents means has caused him to feel deep self entitlement and a belief that he is better than other people and to view everyone as a threat on his entitlement.

he doesnt deserve sympathy like some people on WP have incredibly given him; its those he killed who need the sympathy of the autistic community.
however,it is good to get to know why he did what he did as it might help make people aware of anyone around them who is highly vulnerable to the beliefs of 'going postal' or to help improve the mental health system for people with multiple conditions, illnesses and dysfunctional upbringings.


I enjoy reading your posts they always seem full of good insight and logic


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26 May 2014, 1:03 am

Lot of us here are dealing with frustrations

Not able to hold a job no matter trying to do what
Not able to be accepted by society

Teased, mocked, ignored and avoided.

Frustration can lead to dangerous consequeces
My mom used to vent her frustration by hitting me

some would vent it by playing online voilent video game
and actually implementing that game in real life

but instead of doing that we need to channelise that energy
into constructive manner
meditation, boxing, creating some craft

focusing our mind on some other activity will help to deviate the frustration


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26 May 2014, 2:04 am

The killer says his parents divorce was the most devastating thing that happened to him. This had more of an influence on the killing spree than his Aspergers did. Or it could have been the two combined so which one do you blame? The divorce could have been avoided, the Aspergers could not. If people have kids they should vow to stick together at least until the kids are 18. The divorce rate is waay to high and it REALLY effects kids. Especially with a kid with AS who is more sensitive than other kids.



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26 May 2014, 2:51 am

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Also, it's been my experience that AS is treatable
AS is not a diseas and there is no cure for being yourself.

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... and we can in fact change how we perceive the world.
Why should we? People are individuals, ya know, there is no "we." Enough platitudes for a whole year in one sentense, you must have been busy. :lol: The only freedom is freedom from illusion.

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Further to that, it's not the whole rest of the world's responsibility to change to accommodate us.
The world doesn't exist, it is just a concept in your head. Due to the fact that the same applies to the aspie, I see another platitude coming my way. :lol:

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It's up to us to do what we can for ourselves to fit into the world and make sense of it.
It is not, argument won. :lol: You don't fit in the "world", you cope with difficulties, cuz that's the only thing you can do. :roll: No appeasement to the world. :lol:



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26 May 2014, 3:06 am

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Also, it's been my experience that AS is treatable
AS is not a diseas and there is no cure for being yourself.

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... and we can in fact change how we perceive the world.
Why should we? People are individuals, ya know, there is no "we." Enough platitudes for a whole year in one sentense, you must have been busy. :lol: The only freedom is freedom from illusion.

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Further to that, it's not the whole rest of the world's responsibility to change to accommodate us.
The world doesn't exist, it is just a concept in your head. Due to the fact that the same applies to the aspie, I see another platitude coming my way. :lol:

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It's up to us to do what we can for ourselves to fit into the world and make sense of it.
It is not, argument won. :lol: You don't fit in the "world", you cope with difficulties, cuz that's the only thing you can do. :roll: No appeasement to the world. :lol:


I've successfully treated my symptoms.
It's changed my perceptions of everything for the better.
No matter how frustrating AS symptoms used to make things, I've never thought the rest of the world should change to accept and accommodate me.
I've changed to better fit into the world and its working out great for me.


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26 May 2014, 5:08 am

[quote="BornThisWay"But don't deny that in every recent AS shooter case, violent video games was a behavior they indulged in before they went out and shot people in real life. There is an obvious link with that and their fundamental mental illness .... that should be enough for parents to be very careful about carefully monitoring any AS child's media and gaming exposure.

My main point is that kids on the spectrum might do well to avoid these games, and that these violent video games might not be healthy or conducive to their general mental health. AS kids have enough issues just figuring out how to function in the a world that does very little to accommodate their natural developmental curve in a positive way without providing them with violent social fantasies. [/quote]
In "every recent AS shooter case" (as far as I'm aware, this is the only one where the shooter was diagnosed), the shooter ate carrots before they went out and shot people. There is an obvious link between that and their fundamental mental illness... that should be enough for parents to be very careful about carefully monitoring any AS child's root vegetable exposure.

My main point is that kids on the spectrum might do well to avoid carrots, and that carrots might not be healthy or conductive to their general mental health. AS kids have enough issues just figuring out how to function in the a world that does very little to accommodate their natural developmental curve in a positive way without providing them with orangey goodness.



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26 May 2014, 7:01 am

its better to kill oneself then go on a killing spree and have blood of innocent on the hands

and AS is a condition
which will ultimately consume the person having it just like cancer or AIDS would
but AS will consume the mind

Initially it will start with social confusion, bullying, victimisation, not getting a job, then not getting a partner
poverty, isolation, despair

either it will lead to revolt or withdrawal


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26 May 2014, 7:06 am

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The killer says his parents divorce was the most devastating thing that happened to him. This had more of an influence on the killing spree than his Aspergers did. Or it could have been the two combined so which one do you blame? The divorce could have been avoided, the Aspergers could not. If people have kids they should vow to stick together at least until the kids are 18. The divorce rate is waay to high and it REALLY effects kids. Especially with a kid with AS who is more sensitive than other kids.


AS is not the reason he went on his spree.