Have you ever met a schizophrenic person?

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One person whose opinion I respect says that schizophrenics are geniuses. The diagnosis of schizophrenia is, in the words of Dr Gregory House (yes, fictional TV doctor) a "garbage dump diagnosis", and those words came out about the time some British scientists published their opinion that the diagnosis of schizophrenia was worthless.

I was diagnosed schizophrenic and I was a very precocious child. I actually remember the regression in my reading skills and it is associated with an increase in the interpersonal violence that I experienced. Cause and effect is easy to see, especially after experiencing numerous physical attacks by my mother that resulted in periods of oxygen deprivation to my brain by forced hyperventilation, aggravated by the disruption of oxygen regulation methods by the same means, damage to a hip socket, and damage to my back. There is also only so far that a tiny heart can be pushed when it is forced to beat with all of its strength and speed for an indeterminate length of time.

My "schizophrenia" is associated with interpersonal violence. My "treatment" not only failed to take this into account but exacerbated the problem by putting me in with a bunch of louts and forcing me to endure a whole new set of beatings and abuse.

My experiences tell me that those "schizophrenics" who hate and fear parents, teachers, therapists, and society are very likely to have a good reason to do so, and it is not part of their alleged disease that inspires them to feel that way. When they write off the genuine feelings of their patients as part of their disease, therapists mark themselves as some pretty bad people.

When they treated me, they mistreated me and caused me problems, then they medicated me for those problems, which started a downward spiral. I've limped along since then, refused all drugs, eventually quit what little street drugs I had been using, quit alcohol, which I had only occasionally used and abused anyway, and the rest of my life to recover from mistreatment is getting painfully short. I am quite convinced that many if not most psychiatric doctors, nurses, nursing aides, and psychologists are involved with an authoritarian regime that deliberately grinds up the psyches and bodies of the best and brightest of humanity. Experiences on both sides of the locked door tell me that the authoritarian ones conspire to drive out people who have human decency, and for that matter, I've seen that kind of behavior in a fast food restaurant. The "authoritarian" ones, the so-called masters of human decency, included someone who had been a habitual thief since he was ten, who ran around with a rat pack who make up alibis for each other, one if his female relatives who was under the age of 18 and already had a child, and someone who I can only describe as being a god-awful so and so. None of these people have anything on the ball that justifies their treatment of others, they are simply people who seem genetically predisposed to take over control of the world by killing off others. That family actually started working on me when I was about five years old.

Maybe "schizophrenics" are more sensitive to these connections and I think that they get a lot of negativity and control games from most of the people around them.

I've been in the mental hospital a lot, so I've met a handful of schizophrenics. I just read a book "Schizophrenia: The Facts" that said that approximately 1% of the population will suffer from schizophrenia at some point in their life. That makes it seem pretty common.

Well, I once went to visit the husband of a friend. He was in the UCLA mental ward. I got to see several Jesus' there. SERIOUSLY! I met some other famous people too.(At least THEY thought they were them)

GOD, it would be NICE if they could somehow give the people the ability to tell real from imagined, raise the intelligence a few dozen points, and give them a good memory. I wonder how the world would change. Alas, I don't think we should even breath a word of such an idea to a researcher. They probably could never do it anyway.

Steve

http://www.geometricvisions.com// I went to a bipolar website and found a link. This was where they post their personal stories that has to do with their disorder. Most of the stories were pretty dumb but this one stood out. I found a link to this site. But I forget where that profile of his was where the link is.

My explaination in how things turn out to be the way they are is:

Average people usually are noticed when there is schizophrenia and schizophrenia doesn't take anyone out of being average (not if they are average). But I beleive that I have discovered that if they are smart than it defintely does contribute to their ability.. Most people are average: this is why many of these people with schizophrenia may seem to be out of control and have had an incoherant past of abusing drugs, being slu*ty, or being antisocial etc.

I have seen how "they" can very well take away the ability to tell real from imagined. Judging from a few recent incidents, our oh so smart and controlling uber authorities can't tell realistic ideas from those that result from fevered and paranoid imaginations, or from sheer stupidity, and they expect people to go along with this. People get forced into roles and adopt roles that are appropriate for the way that other people treat them.

The reason that "they" couldn't give me a sense of reality was because they had none themselves.

I used to be a psych nurse so yeah I've met loads.

Me too. Unfortunately i cant elaborate without breaching patient confidentiality

I will echo Remnant's point - 'schitzophrenia' is a label with zero clinical significance and should ALWAYS be typed in brackets.

A lot of the 'schitzophrenics' in chronic (and other) wards are misdiagnosed autistics imo - especially in the UK where psychiatrists dont have the authority, let alone knoledge to diagnose ASDs, so they will tend to misdiagnose based on the psychiatric labels that they do know about.

YEAH, that is one reason why I said

Steve

I would have to say that I am a misdiagnosed PTSD patient myself, Psych. There was no way in hell that my stress levels could reasonably have been expected to be normal, no way that my upbringing was normal, no way that my life at school was normal, and it constituted a program that deliberately attacked and destroyed my sanity.

so, there is a link? between schizophrenia and autism? well, at least in misdiagnosis, from what i've read. personally, i think that most psych docs are a little nutty in the head to begin with. "they" (mental health professionals, i'll assume that's what you're referring to) seem to have an affinity for control. the patient diagnosed with schizophrenia, who thinks that thier "jesus" or something like that, are perpetuating this myth, because of lack of imposed reality. if society were to finally break down the barriers of fact/fiction in terms of what is "real" vs. imagined. poor, but easy example: organized religions. then, perhaps this world could make some actual progress, once and for all. if people were equipped with the correct information, as to how/why things work the way they do, then no one would be victimized by cults or deliberate manipulations of the truth. but from mainstream sources, (media) all i see is bias. the truth may be out there, but in attaining it, you need time, and access. these are also known as "resources". in another post, i mentioned that "we" are a greedy species. what is the incentive for health professionals to stay in business if there were "cures" for all that ails you? there wouldn't be any. the sad fact of the matter, in terms of life and everything else, is that society = business. not really any other way to put it. and those who do not "fit in" to society are considered useless to business. the "i'll scratch your back, if you scratch mine" philosophy. the best tool for anyone with considerable knowledge or skillset would be to capitalize off of that. to prosper, is to be independent. aspies need to hone in on thier talents and make themselves as useful to business as possible. why else do you think you are here?! i seek truth, but i also seek comfort. there is a comprimise. there is always a comprimise. even if you are the most wealthy or powerful person, you're always going to have to answer to somebody. if not a "boss", then yourself. your imagined conscience that you construct in order to bahave like a civilized human being. no one is a perfect machine. i'll digress for now, since i have strayed from the original topic. i apologize.

My father was schizophrenic. He was under the delusion that other people were talking to his head using a "device". These people included some of our neighbours, so he had to drove avoiding being near their homes. He even became violent and we had to phone the police to take him away. Now he is taking drugs and is kind of normal, although he could have a better temper.

In retrospect, he did a thing which I don't know if it's properly schizophrenic. Once he locked the door of his room, put the key in his pocket, took it out again and unlocked the door, he looked inside his room and then locked the door again and again these same actions for half an hour. It was scary.

I have met many people diagnosed with schizophrenia, from when I was in the psych system (and misdiagnosed with it myself at times) and from when I went to a drop-in center for people from the system. I don't think all of them had the same thing going on (or even the same underlying causes), and I'm dubious about the label schizophrenia as useful because of that.

And yes, a few of them were undoubtedly, like me, autistic.

A long time ago, when I was in Uni and working a part time job at a seedy motel I met a chap who claimed to be DX'd as Paranoid Schizophrenic. He talked very quickly, and seemed quite intelligent. Mind you, this was back in the seventies, and I was younger and much more naive. I was working at this motel, and he was a guest and needed a ride somewhere. I volunteered to drive him in my car after my shift. He talked a mile a minute, and seemed knowledgible about science. (He kept making more and more grandiose statements as we drove.) Things got weirder as he told me he had made his own LSD. I chalked him up as a very capable home chemist. Then he claimed to have been able to create anti-matter. I must have had the deer-in-the headlights look, because it was then he told me his DX ! ! Luckily, I had delivered him to where he wanted to go. He tipped me a fiver, BTW.

The say doctor that diagnosed me with Asperger's also diagnosed me with "Schizophrenic Disorder." She really didn't talk very much about it much I guess because I don't remember much of anything details of anything she said in regards to it. When I went to Virginia for a SPECT scan they didn't diagnose me with it.

There is some range with Schizophrenic disorders I think.

Yes I have... and so have I.

Yes I have... and so have I.