Do we have a barrier between us and other people?

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At times it does seem like people insult me, essentially trying to either push me away or make me change to be like them, simply because I differed from a conceptualized norm. But I don't hold it against them because I recognize what you speak of, the hive mind. That perhaps they need it to function or it's so ingrained they can't think outside of it.

Bingo.
the prime directive of any self-respecting self-organizing algorithm, or computer virus is to replicate.
Cooperation is rewarded.
Deviation is punished.

The exclusion or purity-filters that are so easily observed in say a religion, are also present in most other memes. Think of it as an immune system for an imaginary form of life that we host in our brains.

Autistics have problems from day one because the normal downloads from mother to child do not progress properly. I think this is due to the filtering system the brain uses to sort the real from the concept. To the autistic brain, most hive-mind software seems like garbage. If this software is not absorbed as "primary" (basis for reality), then the link-up can never happen properly, if at all.
I don't know nearly enough about the mechanisms of the actual link-up, but as I said I strongly suspect the issue to be in the filtering system, which is intimately tied to how different sections of the brain are connected.

There are a great many steps between raw input stimulus from our environment and the point where we do conceptual manipulations using pre-stored associated labels in our brains.

Brains use their own languages, as in representations that get processed through logic gates.
What happens in our imaginations certainly does not use those languages, or logic gates. What happens in the imagination is done with borrowed (learned) representations, and borrowed algorithms.

Autistics can usually do the imagination thing, but it's a simulation and not primary.
At least that's what I think I observe.

Totally. You put that all in a rally good way.

Always...including verbally and in writing.

Olympiadis,would you have any links/ books that you would recommend for reading more about the hive mind? I think you really have something with that, and would like to learn more. It really sounds like it explains what is going on.

BTW, do you work with computers or are in the computer industry?

It sounds like Olympiadis is talking about something like this;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme_theory

Not only could Meme Theory explain a lot stuff we don't get about connecting with NTs but it could also explain what's going on here;
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt261866.html

I know people say you should be yourself but being myself doesn't always help in connecting with the memetic hive mind.

Yeah, when you don't have mirror neurons you have to use emulation instead of hardware.

Or to put it another way, we can work out how people feel by imagining ourselves in their place. NTs do the same thing except for them it's a subconscious and instantaneous process and for us we have to think about it consciously for anything that goes beyond the obvious.

Yes, I have heard about Memetics (also read about it is Richard Dawkin's book, The Selfish Gene) so I had heard of it before. I had originally thought (before reading it) that it was actually the giving away of ourselves (our thoughts and whatnot) to others in exchange for parts of them. Not quite the same, since I was thinking of a more individualized system and memes are actually very group-based.

Just call me Captain Obvious

Hey, its cool. I was wondering if the "hive mind" that Olympiadis had mentioned had computer science roots, or psychological roots or whatnot. I would like to learn more about the whole thing in general, since it really seems to fit with my life/ relating to people and would make sense that I am never really accepted (since I guess I would be considered a "virus"

I was a machine language programmer starting at around age 15.

My freakish ability I was born with is that I see processes in terms of binary logic gates.
In the most simple terms, every process can be described by orders and groupings of binary logic gates, - well except maybe something like intuition.

There's some info in the wiki entry from memetics, and of course Dawkin's writings. He worked is way from genetics to memetics. The codes are quite similar, but with a few significant differences.

Genetics evolve slowly and are limited by the laws of physics so that the system will reach a sustainable equilibrium in the real world.

Memetics evolves very quickly, and since it resides completely within the human imagination, it is not directly subjected to the laws of physics. The code is still primarily concerned with preserving itself, so in that sense is sustainable in the imagination.
The biggest and I think most frightening aspect of memetics is that sustainability within imagination does not equate to sustainability out here in the real world.
The hive mind has its own best interest in mind, with little to no regard for the individual host.

We clearly see the ugly side of memetics in our wars.
It's not bombs, chemicals, or bullets that kill us, but the ideas that cause people to act out the destruction.

Yes. It's probably mind blindness.
That's the way it's perceived. Like an invisible wall you can't get through and no one can enter.
Living life in your own world separate from the rest of society.

Thank you. ^-^

I'm realizing how much the hive mind and emulation makes sense. My whole life I've been trying to emulate neurotypicals. But I consistently reject group think. Basically I would create personalized emulations that attempted to run the same software with mixed results. Because my primary software was and always will be based on my individual mind rather than the hive mind. I can only emulate the hive mind as a secondary.

Following that concept a neurotypical would run their individual software as secondary. Because they don't necessarily need it their individual software can be very underdeveloped. The neurotypicals who do actually have a developed secondary could be what is called super neurotypicals. The highly empathic kind that are not only more ready, but also more capable, of understanding people different than those who belong to the hive mind.

My problem is, sometimes I get caught up in the NT group think, I start listening to their memes and start thinking they're good ideas. But because, unlike the NT borg I also have my own ideas, which are completely different and sometimes the opposite, this creates a massive conflict and leads to sleepless nights.

I feel that barrier around me all the time, like I'm inside a glass box that I can't reach out of. I felt it there even as a kid, before I knew there was anything different about me; I just always sensed that for some reason I couldn't fathom, I didn't have access to the same world that the other kids did. I sometimes wonder what it would be like to be able to step out of my box and see what the world felt like connected instinctively to the people around me.

I think most of us must simulate/emulate our own crafted software set. I can perceive myself watching this simulation run in my head, - using it as a tool sort of like a terrarium (mini-hive), but it never becomes primary. Another part of my brain makes final decisions and filtering. It's often enough to barely squeeze by in social situations, though many people sense something is wrong about me.

Imagine you are a fish that cannot connect up to the system intelligence that is guiding the rest of your species in a schooling formation. You can try to jump in and imitate, but you'll always be slow and at least a step behind the rest.

What's it like to be a fish in a school?
I think given a means to communicate, a fish acting in a school would have very little to say about what is happening as they are probably mostly unaware of the process, and only aware of how they physically feel individually. A larger system intelligence is normally very difficult if not impossible to see by the embedded individuals.

Many years ago the phrase "Just act natural" was very popular for instructing someone how to negotiate social situations. I have a feeling that's about as deep of an answer as you would get from one fish in a school. One of the "advantages" of being controlled by a system intelligence is that very little individual thinking is required.

As another example you might ask a NT person "hey what's it like to be part of the hive?', and they may respond with a blank stare and say "what are you talking about?".

An NT may also claim "I like to do what I want to do", but when you look at their life and behaviors you will realize that's a lie or delusion.

I have a massive set of filters against the hive and very much experience in recognizing it, yet daily I find myself disgusted at all the little bits of hive garbage that slips past the filters.
Today I was pulling weeds from my driveway, and had to realize that i was disrespecting/destroying life, not because it's really what I want to, but because it's what other people want me to do, and would eventually force me to do. These people don't really know why, but they truly believe that they think driveways look better with no life in them.

"Better" a meaningless label resulting from a hierarchal sorting algorithm that uses associative dichotomies.

This is but one small example of how NTs attempt to bring order, but actually create more problems in the process. Their logic is flawed because the algorithms are self-serving to the hive. The more complex the set of problems, the more entrenched the hive becomes with its hosts. The function doesn't improve our balance of sustainability with our environment. It only adds to the layers of conflict that gives the hive a reason to exist.

Hmmm. At first I thought it means that we aspies are the only sentient people on Earth, all other people being non-sentient philosophical zombies but then I realized the Earth has two intelligent species vaying for dominance. The first intelligent species is we aspies and the second intelligent species is the memes, which are literally living ideas, using the non-sentient NTs as host bodies. Be on your guard because occasional the parasitic memes can even infect aspie minds.


But seriously, sometimes with NTs I feel like I'm walking on eggshells. For example, I work as a low ranking minion in a graphic design studio. The guy sitting next to me wanted to use a picture of a cartoon monkey but our supervisor said the resolution was too low to be printable. A common problem. I said that he should do the same thing I did last week, use raster to vector software to go from jpg to ai. The supervisor was confused and asked how I did it, I said I Googled raster to vector and used some website, which runs in browser or on server or something. So she chastises me for installing unauthorized software and walks back to her computer on the other side of the office. I say to my colleague that she doesn't seem to get it was running in browser. She heard her name mentioned and came back over to ask if I was "requesting help" from her. She asked what I needed help with. I didn't need help with anything. I said I was talking about her, not to her. I know that sounds rude but I thought since I was already in a trap I should take refuge in audacity. She didn't take it very well. But I was talking softly to the guy sitting next to me so she may've known I hadn't been addressing her and maybe she was trying to trap me. I called her bluff. NTs seem to tell a lot of lies. She lies to trap me and then when I tell the truth she acts like I was supposed to lie in order to spare her feelings. She was kind of cold for the rest of the day. She did the coffee round, handed me a coffee, I said "thanks", she replied icily "you're welcome". Normally I think "you're welcome" is a courtesy but those NTs have found a way to turn it into an insult.