Police Encounters

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^^^ unless it is locked gated and posted, going on the property is just as legal for an officer as it is for the mail man. You most certainly do not need to answer the door for anyone. If they have a warrant, they will just break it down.

I had another incident in January when I started seeing a new therapists. She had called me and was worried about me and told me to call her back in 5 min or she was going to have the police in my town check on me. I called her back in 3 min and she had already called the police. The officer was very nice and allowed me to stay in my house and he asked me if I was o.k . I told him that I was and he called my therapist and then everyone was happy. I was safe and there was no need to worry. This other police officer was treating me like I had committed a crime. He to could have had an nice conversation with me but instead he ask me why I was causing trouble with the crisis line. I did not cause trouble with them. I was not even able to talk to them because they were so busy, When I have high anxiety I can be very aggressive verbally, so I really can not remember how I responded to her. The police where not even called until 8:30pm. I yelled at the crisis worker nearly 19hrs prior. If they were so concerned why did they wait so long to have a welfare check done?

Maybe the "wellness check" was only a pretext. Maybe what he was really doing was following up on a complaint from the hotline that you were harassing them.

Pigs make me sick, there is barely a week that goes by where you don't hear about them killing some poor soul on a "wellness check" or something to the like where they're called in because of the supposedly good intentions of another. People need to realize that they're not here to help you, they're occupying soldiers and their creed of "protecting and serving" is about the equivalent and as sincere as the Nazi sign in concentration camps "arbeit macht frei". Don't ever talk to police unless you have to, unless you committed a crime they can't force you to do anything. I wouldn't call that hotline any more.

I was thinking the same. It could possibly be a nasty punishment by the crisis line operator for "being a trouble maker". Or at best some miscommunication between the crisis line and the police. You'd think a crisis line operator would be trained and be aware of the sensitivity of the situation. But maybe they have no budget for training or having an experienced staff. Could they all be volunteers?

THIS!

I've had wellness checks done on me, in the land where the cops mess with everyone.

This was a follow up to the crisis center making a complaint about you harassing them. Especially when the officer said they didn't want you calling/bothering them.

Oh about you not opening the door when the police come calling, they can break it down for a wellness check, under the guise you a danger to yourself or others. They broke down my apartment door trying to check on my husband, who would not answer the door. They can't search your house without a warrant, but for a wellness check they can use force enter.

At least in my state.

I don't what you said or how you acted on the phone. I'm guessing someone at the crisis center complained to a higher up, and a police report was filed.

The crisis center is creating a legal paper trail on you, and threw you a bone saying it was a wellness check rather than filing a complaint for a harassment charge.

The officer having you stand on a gravel road was to hammer the point home, you need to *cool it.* I don't know how you acted on the phone, so who knows if this view point is valid.

Anyway, someone at the center is feeling threatened, or they view you as playing games. I would see if a police report was filed, or if your therapist can find out what is going on over there.

Last thing you want is a personal protection ordered filed against you.

I knew a paranoid schizophrenic who had a PPO filed against him by the local crisis hot line.

Revisit this situation with your therapist. That was more than a well check.

In my opinions officers should not go out of their way to cause discomfort to 'hammer the point home'.

Also not sure why people are assuming the OP was harrasing the crisis line....but perhaps I missed something, sounds like the incident was handled poorly by the crisis center and the police...People who can not handle speaking with someone in a crisis who probably is not thinking rationally should not work for crisis lines in my opinion.

I don't think anyone's assuming that the OP was harassing the crisis line person. That's why I put "being a trouble maker" in "" to mean that it's the crisis line operator's claim. I also believe Tawaki means the same.

Any way I agree with you. If they can't handle people who are in distress and are emotional, they shouldn't be working there. But as I said earlier, they may just be volunteers. Still they shouldn't be volunteering if they cannot handle it.

No, it was a wellness check. Later when I check my voice messages they had called and left five messages that day. I work from 7am to 8pm most days. The last message said they were going to have the police check on me, If I had checked my messages that day I would have made sure to call them back to let them no I was fine. I really think the police officer was abusing his authority and decided to pick on me, a 43 year old , defenseless autistic. Bullies normally end up being police officers or some other profession that will allow them to abuse people. When I was younger I would have tried to run from him and I would have ended up getting tackled to the ground. I have a strong flight or fight response but it tapered considerably since I got older and physically unable to take off running. Now I just stand there and barley say anything an hope they will go away.

Police are trained to be the fascist enforcers of capitalism, not "wellness checkers" for the desperate, the sick, and the frightened.

So...what is your solution to the "capitalist" dilemma?

I do not think that law enforcement should be called for wellness checks. Paramedics can do a better job. There trained to help people who are having a crisis. It may be medical but when someone is having a severe anxiety attack I think they would be able to handle it better. The cops just make matters worse and could result in going to jail instead of the hospital. It does cause physical symptom's. Mine get so bad that my ear's ring really loud and I have heart palpations. I refuse to go to the hospital for a mental health crisis. Last year they wanted to send me to a mental health unit in a hospital almost 200 miles away. I ended up running from them and almost got shot by the cops in the hospital parking lot. Before I knew it I was surrounded by police officers with there guns pointed at me. All I did was run. This lead to a severe panic attack and I was freaking out. The hospital did let me go as long as I signed a paper that said I would be safe if they let me go home.

My attacks are so severe that if I were have a heart attack I would not no the difference, If I have another bad attack I will call the paramedics' instead of the crisis line. All they will do is call the cops. I read that people with Asperger's are at a high risk of dying from a heart attack due to anxiety.

Paramedics vs police...

Most of the paramedics around in my area have been ex military and are looking for a way to get into the police department. Paramedic is a stepping stone to the police department. So I don't believe they would be any more kinder/gentler on a wellness check.

Healthcare workers treat the mentally ill like s**t too. You don't know how many nurses I've seen roughly insert an NG tube or and an IV on a conscious attempted suicide patient. Or put them in leathers if the person gets chirpy. They don't want you back in the ER, and want to make it as unpleasant as possible.

One word of advice, in my area for an ambulance call the police show up also. And the police handle the de-escalation before the paramedics will get out of their gig. I found this out the hard way when my husband had a king size meltdown, and was putting others at risk with his behavior. The police were the ones who got him out of the street. The paramedics were ordered to stay inside the rig, until the cops thought my husband was safe enough to deal with.

First idiot to blame is that crisis hotline...nothing like calling out for help to then have them send someone out to your place saying "they don't want any more trouble from you"...WTH?