Are aspies from the future?

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Well don't know that we want this government 'controlling' everything or the entire earth per say, that could get oppressive, so only if the people are in control of the government if that makes sense. Also what would be defined as a deficit and what wouldn't be, I'd really hope the technology would have more of a focus on making it so humans can live on earth without harming it while maintaning a comfortable living. And technically speaking autism is a disorder....so we would cure autism before it occurs....and I really don't think it would be good for everyone to have the same intellgence and physical capablities, that is what the Nazis tried to do and well in the end eugenics is a slippery slope as you can see based on what happened there.

How about technology to help people who come out with 'defects' live a fulfilling life........also that bit about simular intelligence/physical capability is not necessary for that fullfilling life....of course eating healthy and getting enough exercise should be encouraged. Also though don't know if this would work on a single entire world system sort of scale, might have to break it down into multiple provinces or something, so suppose that is my thoughts on it.

Trouble is we don't all have the same or similar way of thinking.

We've been imported from the future as a social experiment. Needless to say, it failed. hahahaha okay I'm done.

Neither do the NTs. Of course, it's a spectrum and I'm speaking in broad terms - it'd be pretty hard to have any sort of discussion on here otherwise.

But then again, it's so aspie to focus on details and accuracy.

A feeling of anachronism is to be expected when an individual is unable to link up with the system intelligence that is currently manipulating an environment.

Agree totally - utopian ideals of any kind make me very nervous - power corrupts and absolute power...... well we all know how that one goes! You hum it and I'll play it.

^^^BINGO!

That was one of the worst periods of human history.

The Romans destroyed the Ancient Library of Alexandria, and the emperors and royal families were some of the most corrupt and disgusting people ever. Their empire gave birth to the Dark Ages, a period of ignorance and economic regression that plagued Europe for hundreds of years!

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That is a great example of the pruning of an evolutionary branch within memetics. Certain sets of ideas battle with, and sometimes destroy other ideas in a struggle for dominance.

This goes back to the main point of this thread, which I think essentially supposes that NTs are natural willing hosts to these memetics (mind virus) that are so destructive. ASDs also serve memetics in similar ways because they try to simulate, mimic, or assimilate into a NT dominated environment.
The supposition is that if ASDs did not feel the pressure to assimilate, then most of them would never carry out the wishes of the collective mind viruses.

Personally I believe this is a valid speculation. Sure there would be exceptions, and sure there would be other issues that pop up, but I think they would show more as individual issues and not so much as collective issues.
I'm talking about fist-fights in comparison to empire building.

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Aspies - Individualism gone wrong. Ofcourse we are from the future..

Some very good points here.

To digress a bit, I have tried to simulate the outward behavior of NTs while not becoming a willing host to their destructive memes. I thought I had it down pat for a while but I seem to have regressed quite a bit lately. It seems it is extremely hard to mimic NT behavior without having your own mind become a host to NT memes, if such a mimicking is even possible at all over a sustained period for an aspie.

It's possible that ASD is a genetic deviation, which under different circumstances would have fallen or risen, just like dozens of other deviations.

There was an article I read a couple of years ago which said that we humans have halted our own evolution. Any genetic aberrations are now tolerated and accommodated, which breaks the competitive nature of evolution.

I have reason to think that ASD is a "throwback" to a time when individual intelligence was needed more than system intelligence.

To a brain with new abilities to imagine and foresee, filters would be needed to to sort the real from the conceptual in order to avoid a lot of confusion.

I think with the emergence of complex language and then civilization that the environmental pressure would have favored system intelligence, - the NT connection.

We may be at a point in time where the NT branch is starting to be pruned back to the last known workable state.
But like you said, our society has effectively sabotaged the evolutionary process, so it may be unclear what is really happening.
I have no doubt that the evolution of memetics is far outpacing any physical changes, so the changes we are seeing may exist more in the realm of ideas.

I perceive 95% of theories that concern NTs as user-personal theory rather than realism as they almost always spawn from negative emotion, rather than evidence or fact.

Autism is frequently referred to as an 'invisible' disability, yet this forum parades the NT label to disgrace the specific population of people. Statements are recycled, for example: NTs are belligerent, NTs are illogical, NTs cannot be geniuses, NTs are the ones with zero empathy. It is blind-sighted hypocrisy, as the autistic equivalent is unacceptable even without considering political value; an NT perception, for example, that all autistics are Rain Man or persistent excuse-makers is entirely incorrect and depicts ignorance in its finest form.

Why must there be an imaginary neurological war?

I don't think it's a war, but neither do I think it's imaginary.
Minorities often suffer a certain amount of second class treatment, and so a reaction to that is just human nature.

Except that in this case, often people don't know they're dealing with an ASD person, just with someone who is odd or peculiar in some way. Odd or peculiar people get sidelined a lot, especially if they have issues that people think can be "fixed." Such an attitude can produce resentment.

But back to my first point, I don't think there's a war on WP against NT's. Yes, sometimes a post here and there is a bit anti. But you'll get that in almost any setting. As a new person who has read a lot of posts, the more prominent thing I see is the very human need to fit in, somewhere. And the need to find answers.

But...... your post, Norny, is a timely warning against letting such resentment feed the discussion.

When two fundamentally different perceptions of reality exist within a shared environment, there are naturally going to be feelings, theories, and speculations like you have mentioned in your post.

However, it does not follow to claim that all such statements or speculations are emotionally based criticisms. When commonalities are observed, especially by many, they just are what they are.

Most people here have probably been invalidated their entire lives by a society composed of a fundamentally different majority. The percentages have historically dictated the accepted validity. It seems only recently that the minority, such as what you see here, has even felt it may be tolerated to suggest that the majority could be equally or even more invalid.

At any rate, this is a niche forum, so it's not like the invalidation is being shoved in the faces of NTs by media. I see no harm in being more tolerant here, even if it does contain some ignorance at times. Ignorance is on the road to knowledge, and so is tolerance.

The posting of opinions, and non-conclusive observations is going to happen here. I see no reason to try to shut that down just because they may not be cheerleading for the neurotypical perception.

True, there is no real evidence that ASD has anything to do with the future, or extraterrestrials, but the discussion may very well bring out very valuable observations or useful facts just the same. Even if the discussion encourages further thought or research by the participants, then it is of value.